whirlingmerc
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so you believe the critter rapidly dove down through 1 million years of sediment?
Kamikaze ichthyosaur? - creation.com
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How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.
- Thread starter Subduction Zone
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so you believe the critter rapidly dove down through 1 million years of sediment?
Kamikaze ichthyosaur? - creation.com
Subduction Zone
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Only the jellyfish imprint needed to be done quickly. Think about it.It would have to be quite rapid of a burial to fossilize a Jellyfish
or a fish eating a fish
or a fossil of a creature giving birth
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What the heck is that BS?
when you link to sites written by lying idiots you tend to look like one too.
you have to be better than this.
gnostic
The Lost One
Again, that’s also story with very little substance, written anonymously a generation and two later.
I used to believe as you did, about Jesus and all, but the older I got and the more I’ve re-read and re-examined, the more I realised that very little in both OT & NT contain very little substance.
As to salvation and afterlife, they seemed to be more fanciful fantasy.
How do you know the Christian religion is right and not the Egyptian’s, Greek’s or Norse’s? To me, Christian afterlife are no more real than the others that I’ve mentioned.
ecco
Veteran Member
Take God's wrath?
Eternal God sent part of himself to impregnate Mary. The resulting humanoid offspring (by definition a *******) lived for about 30 years. Then he endured a day agony and then was promptly conjoined with God in Heaven where he will spend eternity. That's what you refer to as taking God's wrath? That's far, far less than me trimming a toenail.
The just born infants who were buried alive in God's Great Flood suffered far more of God's wrath.
ecco
Veteran Member
So, people written about in the New Testament support claims made by people who wrote the Old Testament.
WhoDaThunkIt!
On the other hand, it's OK for Christians today to eat lobster, because people written about in the New Testament said their laws superseded the laws made by people who wrote the Old Testament.
WhoDaThunkIt!
Pick and choose, pick and choose.
whirlingmerc
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Yes, the New Testament draws from the Old. Leviticus being a thematic book on holiness. Holiness often shown by types in the Old Testament often (like not eating lobster) and shown by resisting sin and loving God and man in the new. There is a continuity but a contrast in how it works out.
Not eating lobster was an illustration of Israel being selective about their food because God was selective in choosing them (a significant part being a means to bring salvation to the world through Christ )
Bottom line... the Kosher laws were an illustration to learn from and a shadow of what is to come but the one casting the shadow is Jesus... the church has similar but different ways of shining before the world like 'love one another that all men may know you are my disciples' Chosen yes. Shown as chosen different now.
It would be like the bride of Christ, the church, wearing the wrong wedding ring and so the Jerusalem council told the gentiles the were not bound to the Kosher laws and encouraged them to something closer to the rules Noah had in the book of Acts
ecco
Veteran Member
More likely Kosher laws were the result of:
Humans ate shellfish. Some humans sometimes got sick from eating shellfish. People warned other people not to eat shellfish. People ignored the warnings and ate shellfish and got sick. Along came religion and religious holy people, AKA Rabbis, told people that God forbade the eating of shellfish. People listened to the "words of God" and less people got sick.
Ditto pork, et al.It's kinda like: Just you wait until your father gets home!
Back then people were ignorant of seasonal catching and proper cooking techniques.
You want to start a new religion. You need to get converts from among the older religions. You don't like some of the old laws and rules. You change the laws and rules and point out to the prospective converts that the changes are justified in a new interpretation of the old views.
Want to convert Jews, show them that their own texts really said it was OK to eat lobster.
Want to convert Pagans, tell them that their Winter Solstice celebration just so happens to coincide with the day of Jesus' birth.
Want to convert more Pagans, tell them that their Feast to the Goddess Eostre is still OK, but start to imply that it was also a celebration of the rising of Jesus.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The ban on pork may have been economically based too. Pigs do not do as well in arid areas. They can put a high demand on water. If "unclean" they will be avoided and precious resources will not be wasted.
Audie
Veteran Member
Even for creation.com, that is really really stupid.
Lie like dogs, and call it "facts".
Shameful!
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Actually from one end of its nose to the rest and the fossil there is 1 million years of layer
and we can agree it's troubling.
What makes you think people who believe God created the world are stupid?
Audie
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Audie
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Subduction Zone
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I tried to find the source for that story. It appears to be the work of an amateur paleontologist who's work did not go through peer review. The most likely explanation appears to be that he made some errors. The creationist source of course did not link their source and the only sites that I could find that even touched it were OEC sites that were disgusted with the dishonesty presented.
Subduction Zone
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Find the source that makes this claim in the first place. You only linked to a known lying source.
When we talk about the “Biblical flood” we must also remember that these biblical verses were written to the people of the time in a manner they could understand. In some cases, an analogy was used. When the phrase “The Great Flood” was used it did not state the “only” flood but a flood that was great compared to others.
Analogy (from Greek ἀναλογία, analogia, "proportion", from ana- "upon, according to" [also "against", "anew"] + logos "ratio" [also "word, speech, reckoning"][1][2]) is a cognitive process of transferring information or meaning from a particular subject (the analog, or source) to another (the target)
Why I bargain with the above is beyond me so I move on.
Sea shells found on Mount Everest--
Over time, ocean floor rocks were forced together and pushed upward at a speed of up to 11 centimeters (4.5 in) per year, eventually reaching the current position. The upper formations of Everest now contain marine fossils of sea creatures and shells that once occupied the earlier ocean.
Explorer Noel Odell first discovered the fossils embedded within Everest’s rocks in 1924, proving that the mountain had once been below sea level. The first rock specimens from Everest were brought back by Swiss climbers in 1956 and by an American climbing team in 1963.
Then we have the ancient view of our earth a long, long time ago--
Pangea was surrounded by a global ocean called Panthalassa, and it was fully assembled by the Early Permian Epoch (some 299 million to 273 million years ago). The supercontinent began to break apart about 200 million years ago, during the Early Jurassic Epoch (201 million to 174 million years ago), eventually forming the modern continents and the Atlantic and Indian oceans. Pangea’s existence was first proposed in 1912 by German meteorologist Alfred Wegener as a part of his theory of continental drift. Its name is derived from the Greek pangaia, meaning “all the Earth.”
Pangea | Definition, Map, History, & Facts
Now I am rambling for no rime or reason.
The Bible states that there was a “flood”. And yes; we have found evidence there was a flood.
The Bible says that there was fire and brimstone and low and behold we find volcanic eruptions that spewed out ash that blanketed the earth blocking out the sun causing the great extinction of many species.
In short, you can believe Biblical scripture if you chose and not believe if you chose not to.
The greatest gift God gave is was the gift of choice. I have chosen to believe there was a “great Flood” and fire and brimstone rained down just as scripture states.
Having said all of that; let the debate continue
Analogy (from Greek ἀναλογία, analogia, "proportion", from ana- "upon, according to" [also "against", "anew"] + logos "ratio" [also "word, speech, reckoning"][1][2]) is a cognitive process of transferring information or meaning from a particular subject (the analog, or source) to another (the target)
Why I bargain with the above is beyond me so I move on.
Sea shells found on Mount Everest--
Over time, ocean floor rocks were forced together and pushed upward at a speed of up to 11 centimeters (4.5 in) per year, eventually reaching the current position. The upper formations of Everest now contain marine fossils of sea creatures and shells that once occupied the earlier ocean.
Explorer Noel Odell first discovered the fossils embedded within Everest’s rocks in 1924, proving that the mountain had once been below sea level. The first rock specimens from Everest were brought back by Swiss climbers in 1956 and by an American climbing team in 1963.
Then we have the ancient view of our earth a long, long time ago--
Pangea was surrounded by a global ocean called Panthalassa, and it was fully assembled by the Early Permian Epoch (some 299 million to 273 million years ago). The supercontinent began to break apart about 200 million years ago, during the Early Jurassic Epoch (201 million to 174 million years ago), eventually forming the modern continents and the Atlantic and Indian oceans. Pangea’s existence was first proposed in 1912 by German meteorologist Alfred Wegener as a part of his theory of continental drift. Its name is derived from the Greek pangaia, meaning “all the Earth.”
Pangea | Definition, Map, History, & Facts
Now I am rambling for no rime or reason.
The Bible states that there was a “flood”. And yes; we have found evidence there was a flood.
The Bible says that there was fire and brimstone and low and behold we find volcanic eruptions that spewed out ash that blanketed the earth blocking out the sun causing the great extinction of many species.
In short, you can believe Biblical scripture if you chose and not believe if you chose not to.
The greatest gift God gave is was the gift of choice. I have chosen to believe there was a “great Flood” and fire and brimstone rained down just as scripture states.
Having said all of that; let the debate continue
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Sea shells found on Mt Everest are evidence against the flood. One needs to know how they got there. The flood myth does not explain their presence. Your own source refutes your claim.
Pangaea started to break up roughly 200 million years ago. Long long before even placental mammals.
Why shoot yourself in the foot in such a manner?
The great flood spread out before your eyes even a denier cannot deny---
Subduction Zone
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Yes, there is no denying that you know nothing of geology. Those are examples of long slow erosion. Instead of telling us how little you know why not try to learn?
Audie
Veteran Member
You sure have not studied geology.
Not that you will
But
First look up the word "facile".
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