How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

[james dixon]

Because there are those that would try to harm others by claiming that myths actually happened.

There is more to the Bible than just a string of myths.

Having said that, some of those “myths” are now being proven to be true.

There is also a lot of directives to the people instructing them how to live a more fruitful life.

This is not a case where you either except it “all” or dis-guard it all because of a few flaws.

Just remember, the Bible was written by men, not by God.

 

[james dixon]

How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

That is the $24 question. We don’t know whether there was a “great biblical flood” or not.

But the question does create a great platform for everlasting debate.

in my view

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is more to the Bible than just a string of myths.

Having said that, some of those “myths” are now being proven to be true.

There is also a lot of directives to the people instructing them how to live a more fruitful life.

This is not a case where you either except it “all” or dis-guard it all because of a few flaws.

Just remember, the Bible was written by men, not by God.

What stories of the Bible have been proven to be true?

We know that none of the myths of Genesis or Exodus are true. What significant stories have been supported?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

That is the $24 question. We don’t know whether there was a “great biblical flood” or not.

But the question does create a great platform for everlasting debate.

in my view

We do know that there was no such flood. The problem is that there are so many different interpretations that one single observation does not disprove them all.

Which version of the myth do you believe in? I can explain to you why we know that it did not happen.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't seem to have that problem since you are consistently wrong.

lol

I see that besides the Bible not being the "Word of God" to you since it clearly says that God was guilty of genocide, now you are not following the Commandments. If you go by the Bible then God is guilty of genocide. Yet you hate that fact and try to claim that the Bible is in error when it makes that claim. Yet you want to believe the myths of the Bible. You are having terrible trouble being consistent again.

 

[james dixon]

What stories of the Bible have been proven to be true?

About 90% of it has been proven to be true. The concept of the process of evolution is spelled put in Genesis. You must keep in mind that Genesis was written to the people of the time so the concept of a catastrophic weather events and the development of life was written on a level they could understand.

I believe some today still cannot contemplate its significance.

 

[james dixon]

since it clearly says that God was guilty of genocide

Moses is guilty of genocide, not God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

About 90% of it has been proven to be true. The concept of the process of evolution is spelled put in Genesis. You must keep in mind that Genesis was written to the people of the time so the concept of a catastrophic weather events and the development of life was written on a level they could understand.

I believe some today still cannot contemplate its significance.

Really? I thought that it was the other way around. Funny that you could not name one story that has been proven to be wrong.

And now you are admitting that the flood story is a myth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Moses is guilty of genocide, not God.

How could Moses be guilty? In the myth he did not have the ability to go door to door killing first born.

Have you even read the Bible?

 

[james dixon]

Really?.,,.Funny that you could not name one story that has been proven to be wrong.

"Funny that you could not name one story that has been proven to be wrong"

You just bit your own tongue on that one. lol

And now you are admitting that the flood story is a myth.

I am not admitting to no such thing. If you are really one in the know about geology you know that there is undisputed scientific evidence of a number of great floods in the history of our planet. Proving that one of those floods was "the" flood is another matter all together.

I'm beginning to believe you don't know a heck of a lot about geology, you just pretend you do.

By chance, did you flunk geology when you were younger?

just asking

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Funny that you could not name one story that has been proven to be wrong"

You just bit your own tongue on that one. lol

Yep, I messed up. I can prove various stories to be wrong. I am waiting for you to support any of your claims. What stories have been proven to be right? You claimed an amazing ninety percent where I doubt if you could prove ten percent.

I am not admitting to no such thing. If you are really one in the know about geology you know that there is undisputed scientific evidence of a number of great floods in the history of our planet. Proving that one of those floods was "the" flood is another matter all together.

I'm beginning to believe you don't know a heck of a lot about geology, you just pretend you do.

By admitting to multiple smaller floods you are in effect admitting that there was no great flood. But then you would have to be able to reason logically to see that.

By chance, did you flunk geology when you were younger?

just asking

Of course not. It appears that you are projecting again. With your poor understanding of the Bible you must have not done well in any of your studies into scripture.

 

[Jose Fly]

How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.

That is the $24 question. We don’t know whether there was a “great biblical flood” or not.

Yeah we do. Earlier you asked me to list some of the reasons for concluding that the Biblical flood didn't happen. I posted them as you asked, and you proceeded to ignore them.

 

[Audie]

Yeah we do. Earlier you asked me to list some of the reasons for concluding that the Biblical flood didn't happen. I posted them as you asked, and you proceeded to ignore them.

I wonder how representative our nominal "Christians"
on this forum are, of Christians in general.

I really hope, not very!

 

[james dixon]

Yeah we do. Earlier you asked me to list some of the reasons for concluding that the Biblical flood didn't happen. I posted them as you asked, and you proceeded to ignore them.

Oh wise one; how could I doubt the mind of one such as yours.
Forgive me for thinking you just plucked this out of your aus.

My mistake,

Oh wise one, please forgive me

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible is very clear - the punishment for slavery is a full automatic death penalty.

The Egyptians enslaved the Jews and murdered their children.

Exo 1:14 The Egyptians made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with cruelty.

Exo 1:16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women and see them upon the stools; if it is a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it is a daughter, then she shall live.

Exo 1:22 And Pharaoh charged all { JEWISH } people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.

Many here seem to ignore or forget that it was the Egyptians who murdered the Jewish children and the Egyptians who had cruelly, harshly and VIOLENTLY enslaved the Jews.

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT A GOD TO DO TO HELP HIS HEBREW PEOPLE.

OF COURSE, GOD IS GOING TO KILL THE EGYPTIAN FIRSTBORN
OF COURSE, GOD IS GOING TO DESTROY THE ENTIRE EGYPTIAN ARMY.

The entire Bible explains everything - Yet I see people here pretending that God is just going around committing violence to the Brady Bunch.

Or that God is going through the world picking off people because they are singing out of tune. However, The entire Bible has explanations of why and what happened

Yet I never see the skeptics posting the facts surrounding what they are writing about.

Check it out.................... Deu 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

Deu 22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so, is this matter:

the punishment for RAPE - is the DEATH penalty,

If, a woman is sexually assaulted in the Bible - the BIBLICAL LAW DEMANDS that the Rapist financially supports the woman He rapes - even if she does not want to marry Him. And if she is truly raped and unwilling of Her own free will, - then obviously, she will never marry the man and the Bible suggests that He work for the rest of His life to support the victim or be put to death.
As similar to a marriage contract - He SUPPORTS and PROVIDES SUPPORT for the rest of His life.

A mandatory lawsuit/ full automatic.

In the Bible - The rapists and the slave traders, kidnappers and pedophiles are to be - put to death. Mandatory death.

The Egyptians were child killers and slave traders. And their civilization was under Gods judgment. The God of The Bible - holds people and their children / offspring responsible as a whole.

All they had to do was stop murdering the Jewish babies and allow the Jews to go free. - God gave them plenty of warnings, signs, miracles, and evidence that He meant exactly what He said. Yet the Egyptians rebelled against God.

This is what rebellion against God causes in the Bible. When young man rebels against His Mother and Fathers Commandments Regarding Gods Laws and becomes a threat to His family and His community.
And He continues to ignore the dangers, ignore His Mother and Fathers words over and over and over and continues to cause dangerous problems - and is rebelling in this way.

He is to be put to death. God is about protecting families. When people rebel against God in the Bible - It always means that they are destroying their families and community.

The Bible is very clear - however, the skeptics here are anything but honest or clear as they attempt to pretend that the scriptures represent their faiths and claims.

There were only about three or four times in the entire Bible when anyone was actually stoned to death at the Command of God and I can prove that every single last one of these three or four incidences was completely justified. The facts are the facts - sadly many pervert the facts.

You really need to read your Bible. You could not be more wrong. The Bible tells who you could put into slavery for life, how a Hebrew could trick his fellow Hebrew into being a slave for life, and that one could sell one's daughters to be slaves for life.

Do you need the verses?

And no, the punishment for rape was not the death penalty. Seriously dude, read your Bible. If a man raped a single woman that was not betrothed the penalty was a fine and marrying one's victim.

And punishing innocents is always immoral. The good news is that the Exodus story is a myth as well.

 

[starsofirelight]

If You had the verses - I would know of them.

But You have nothing - therefore You posted nothing. And this is the entire orbit and scope of the entire incredulous and skeptical transmission in the forum concerning claims for which no scriptures will ever be given nor any partial sentences stand as facts * as partial sentences, without the rest of the entire body of the subject.

This is all that You can ever imagine. a half of a story, a half of a word or
a half or fraction of a chapter This is Your faith. Like a shadow of a chicken that has completely starved to death - so is the life of the claims You pretend to make.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If You had the verses - I would know of them.

But You have nothing - therefore You posted nothing. And this is the entire orbit and scope of the entire incredulous and skeptical transmission in the forum concerning claims for which no scriptures will ever be given nor any partial sentences stand as facts * as partial sentences, without the rest of the entire body of the subject.

This is all that You can ever imagine. a half of a story, a half of a word or
a half or fraction of a chapter This is Your faith. Like a shadow of a chicken that has completely starved to death - so is the life the claims You pretend to make.

Like so many extremist Christians you seem to have a hard time following the Ninth Commandment.

Exodus 21:

“Now these are the hrules that you shall set before them. 2 iWhen you buy aHebrew slave,1 he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free,for nothing. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then hiswife shall go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons ordaughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. 5 Butjif the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go outfree,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to kGod, and he shall bring him to the door or thedoorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slaveforever.

7 “When a man lsells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.8 If she does not please her master, who has designated her2 for himself, then he shall lether be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has brokenfaith with her. 9 If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter.10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or mhermarital rights. 11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out fornothing, without payment of money.

That covers both my claim about how to trick a fellow Hebrew into being a slave and selling one's daughter into slavery.

Leviticus 25 44-46:


44
"`Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45
You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46
You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.


You clearly either have not read or not understood your Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oops, almost forgot about the rape claim. From Deuteronomy 22:

28 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, andthey are found, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

As you see, rape an unbetrothed woman and you had to marry her. Women were treated as property in the Old Testament and they had an attitude of "you broke her, you bought her". Crude and unjust to say the least.

 

[Audie]

The Bible is very clear - the punishment for slavery is a full automatic death penalty.

The Egyptians enslaved the Jews and murdered their children.

Exo 1:14 The Egyptians made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with cruelty.

Exo 1:16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women and see them upon the stools; if it is a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it is a daughter, then she shall live.

Exo 1:22 And Pharaoh charged all { JEWISH } people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.

Many here seem to ignore or forget that it was the Egyptians who murdered the Jewish children and the Egyptians who had cruelly, harshly and VIOLENTLY enslaved the Jews.

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT A GOD TO DO TO HELP HIS HEBREW PEOPLE.

OF COURSE, GOD IS GOING TO KILL THE EGYPTIAN FIRSTBORN
OF COURSE, GOD IS GOING TO DESTROY THE ENTIRE EGYPTIAN ARMY.

The entire Bible explains everything - Yet I see people here pretending that God is just going around committing violence to the Brady Bunch.

Or that God is going through the world picking off people because they are singing out of tune. However, The entire Bible has explanations of why and what happened

Yet I never see the skeptics posting the facts surrounding what they are writing about.

Check it out.................... Deu 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

Deu 22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbor, and slayeth him, even so, is this matter:

the punishment for RAPE - is the DEATH penalty,

If, a woman is sexually assaulted in the Bible - the BIBLICAL LAW DEMANDS that the Rapist financially supports the woman He rapes - even if she does not want to marry Him. And if she is truly raped and unwilling of Her own free will, - then obviously, she will never marry the man and the Bible suggests that He work for the rest of His life to support the victim or be put to death.
As similar to a marriage contract - He SUPPORTS and PROVIDES SUPPORT for the rest of His life.

A mandatory lawsuit/ full automatic.

In the Bible - The rapists and the slave traders, kidnappers and pedophiles are to be - put to death. Mandatory death.

The Egyptians were child killers and slave traders. And their civilization was under Gods judgment. The God of The Bible - holds people and their children / offspring responsible as a whole.

All they had to do was stop murdering the Jewish babies and allow the Jews to go free. - God gave them plenty of warnings, signs, miracles, and evidence that He meant exactly what He said. Yet the Egyptians rebelled against God.

This is what rebellion against God causes in the Bible. When young man rebels against His Mother and Fathers Commandments Regarding Gods Laws and becomes a threat to His family and His community.
And He continues to ignore the dangers, ignore His Mother and Fathers words over and over and over and continues to cause dangerous problems - and is rebelling in this way.

He is to be put to death. God is about protecting families. When people rebel against God in the Bible - It always means that they are destroying their families and community.

The Bible is very clear - however, the skeptics here are anything but honest or clear as they attempt to pretend that the scriptures represent their faiths and claims.

There were only about three or four times in the entire Bible when anyone was actually stoned to death at the Command of God and I can prove that every single last one of these three or four incidences was completely justified. The facts are the facts - sadly many pervert the facts.

I wonder if you could quit yelling? It is kind of unpleasant
for the rest of us.

 

[Jose Fly]

Oh wise one; how could I doubt the mind of one such as yours.
Forgive me for thinking you just plucked this out of your aus.

My mistake,

Oh wise one, please forgive me

Well that reply certainly speaks for itself.