Jose Fly
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At the very least he seems to be a pretty stereotypical creationist.
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How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.
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Subduction Zone
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I found it very strange that he wants to take clearly refuted parts of the Bible literally, but when there are verses that have no evidence of being wrong he adamantly claimed that those verses were false.
Oh well, it only supports the claim that all creationists pick and choose which parts of the Bible that they decide to believe.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
What bugs me is when someone asks me to write something up, but after I post it they ignore it. I wonder if they realize that the most obvious conclusion for me to draw is that they had no answer to what I posted so they just ran away?
Audie
Veteran Member
starsofirelight
Member
Dear Subduction Zone
Yes - In verse 21, This Verses content - is saying that if a Man cannot pay his debts and survive - or if he needs to put His Daughter to work to make money to help the family continue to survive. - then IF he has a good place of safety for His daughter to go where she can be placed for a contract that can last for seven years, if needed. - Traditional.
Then - The daughter can have a future with opportunity for a plan of freedom from her family debt and crisis and have a future of security.
Let's look at exactly what Exo 21:7 is really saying in the original Hebrew manuscripts.
Exo 21:7 That IF a man is marketing { CONTRACTING } his { Own } daughters services - selling her work - to be a maidservant, she shall not go { end the contract } as the other workers / servants do. Meaning other workers who are not hired as sons and daughters - who were never contracted out by their own parents.
Meaning - Exo 21:8 I there is a problem in the eyes of the Contractor } Boss, in which He Has not Agreed that Her contract has been met or paid. { To pay off the Fathers / Family Inheritance, Family Property Debt }
Then the Contracting of Her ( A daughter } out to another person or having her work for OTHER strangers among the people is treacherous and an evil transgression. This was to keep the Children safe. by not sending them to strangers throughout the lands which could be unsafe for the children to work in.
The Goal was to keep the families together and to pay off their debts and for the Children to keep their inheritance.
Exo 21:10 If he { the Father } takes himself another wife; the food, the raiment, and her marriage, shall not be lessened or withheld.
Verse 10 was saying that If a Father in debt has a daughter that If he takes Himself another wife after He knows His daughter is coming back home after she has ended her contract or her boss is not satisfied fully with her performance or feels the debt is not paid due to whatever circumstance. That the father while taking in another wife or taking in anyone else into His household, he shall not diminish the daughter's rights and clothing and the daughter's marriage potential, rights and abilities. { and overall basic rights. } - In other words - - The daughter always holds a heritage right and the right to get married no matter how much the father is in debt.
Exo 21:9 And if he { The Father } has contracted out a son, also deal as in the manner of the daughters.
The Bible HERE was maintaining the Heritage and heirship and inheritance rights of the Children. Saying that no matter the situation, the Father is always to honor His Children - Even If he can not pay His debts and the Children are unable to fully assist in paying off the debts, that the Father can not give His children to strangers to be contracted out.
That's all it was saying in the Original. These perverted translators went in and made up a bunch of lies and extra words. I CAN explain THIS WORD BY WORD IN THE ORIGINAL HEBREW - If You would like.
or You can take my word for it and STOP trusting in the Jesuit mistranslation of lies.
Your faith and full trust in what various translations are telling You that deviate and change what the original says - is all that You are proving. Your claims are not representing the Original Hebrew.
As - You also continue to pile on negative words and ideas onto modern words that are not in the verse.
But You represent - simply what modern translators have invented and changed and added. This is why I choose post and to uphold the original message as it was originally transmitted in the Hebrew -
As You are making up a bunch of additional words to send the original message in another direction that feeds Your imagination.
The whole verse is about making sure that the children themselves are not OWNED / sold as slaves - but that the purpose remains to be selling employment, services, labor, work in a safe, respectful closed environment with RULES....... for respecting and protecting the children.
You are not even in the same universe - concerning what the Bible actually says. The Bible says that slavery is the death penalty.
And gives rules for properly treating servants, workers, and hirelings who are selling their services.
I hope You can stop pretending that You have presented anything that represent the Bible.
Yes - In verse 21, This Verses content - is saying that if a Man cannot pay his debts and survive - or if he needs to put His Daughter to work to make money to help the family continue to survive. - then IF he has a good place of safety for His daughter to go where she can be placed for a contract that can last for seven years, if needed. - Traditional.
Then - The daughter can have a future with opportunity for a plan of freedom from her family debt and crisis and have a future of security.
Let's look at exactly what Exo 21:7 is really saying in the original Hebrew manuscripts.
Exo 21:7 That IF a man is marketing { CONTRACTING } his { Own } daughters services - selling her work - to be a maidservant, she shall not go { end the contract } as the other workers / servants do. Meaning other workers who are not hired as sons and daughters - who were never contracted out by their own parents.
Meaning - Exo 21:8 I there is a problem in the eyes of the Contractor } Boss, in which He Has not Agreed that Her contract has been met or paid. { To pay off the Fathers / Family Inheritance, Family Property Debt }
Then the Contracting of Her ( A daughter } out to another person or having her work for OTHER strangers among the people is treacherous and an evil transgression. This was to keep the Children safe. by not sending them to strangers throughout the lands which could be unsafe for the children to work in.
The Goal was to keep the families together and to pay off their debts and for the Children to keep their inheritance.
Exo 21:10 If he { the Father } takes himself another wife; the food, the raiment, and her marriage, shall not be lessened or withheld.
Verse 10 was saying that If a Father in debt has a daughter that If he takes Himself another wife after He knows His daughter is coming back home after she has ended her contract or her boss is not satisfied fully with her performance or feels the debt is not paid due to whatever circumstance. That the father while taking in another wife or taking in anyone else into His household, he shall not diminish the daughter's rights and clothing and the daughter's marriage potential, rights and abilities. { and overall basic rights. } - In other words - - The daughter always holds a heritage right and the right to get married no matter how much the father is in debt.
Exo 21:9 And if he { The Father } has contracted out a son, also deal as in the manner of the daughters.
The Bible HERE was maintaining the Heritage and heirship and inheritance rights of the Children. Saying that no matter the situation, the Father is always to honor His Children - Even If he can not pay His debts and the Children are unable to fully assist in paying off the debts, that the Father can not give His children to strangers to be contracted out.
That's all it was saying in the Original. These perverted translators went in and made up a bunch of lies and extra words. I CAN explain THIS WORD BY WORD IN THE ORIGINAL HEBREW - If You would like.
or You can take my word for it and STOP trusting in the Jesuit mistranslation of lies.
Your faith and full trust in what various translations are telling You that deviate and change what the original says - is all that You are proving. Your claims are not representing the Original Hebrew.
As - You also continue to pile on negative words and ideas onto modern words that are not in the verse.
But You represent - simply what modern translators have invented and changed and added. This is why I choose post and to uphold the original message as it was originally transmitted in the Hebrew -
As You are making up a bunch of additional words to send the original message in another direction that feeds Your imagination.
The whole verse is about making sure that the children themselves are not OWNED / sold as slaves - but that the purpose remains to be selling employment, services, labor, work in a safe, respectful closed environment with RULES....... for respecting and protecting the children.
You are not even in the same universe - concerning what the Bible actually says. The Bible says that slavery is the death penalty.
And gives rules for properly treating servants, workers, and hirelings who are selling their services.
I hope You can stop pretending that You have presented anything that represent the Bible.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Please, you do not get to reinterpret the Bible. You are less of an expert in that book than I am.
You were 100% wrong in your claim about the Bible. If you want a discussion then do so politicians properly. One claim per post. Don't use bold print.
Can you do that? Until then your posts are a joke.
Audie
Veteran Member
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I barely scanned it myself. The poster does not seem to understand that it is rather rude use that technique.
Cougarbear
Member
Genesis 1:2, ...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. See, in the beginning, the earth was not present. But, there was nothing but water. In verse 6, God put a firmament in the midst of the waters and it divided the waters into 2. Above the firmament (Heaven) and below the firmament or in the earth. Thus, a universe full of water surrounded the earth. And waters beneath the surface. As the creation continued, the Sun appeared as well as the starts and galaxies. However, we know that in the Bible, prior to the flood, Adam and all people lived hundreds of years. Perhaps the waters above the earth blocked out the harmful deadly rays of the Sun. After the flood when the waters above as well as the waters in the earth came upon the entire earth flooding all mountainous regions, the Sun's rays now harm us killing us sooner. We don't live so long
So, it wasn't just the rain from normal cloud formations. Genesis 7:11, In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Verse 12, "And," (Meaning in addition to) the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
I know you tried to sound intelligent with your mathematical skills :-/~ But, you completely lost track of the topic and from where the Noah's Flood account was written in. And, you apparently don't know the specifics of that either. Also, it doesn't seem that you understand time and relativity.
Cougarbear
Member
Geological sites all over the world suggests that there was a world-wide flood. See, the problem isn't that the bible isn't a history book. The problem is we weren't there and witnessed it so it can't be true to many. This is common with humans. We tend to forget quickly and return and repeat things we should not. Look at what took place with Hitler's Germany. Hitler promoted a Democratic Socialist agenda. Now, we have politicians in America that want to promote Democratic Socialism. Many of them doing so are Jewish, black, hispanic, LGBT and so on. The same group that was attacked by Hitler and his Democratic Socialism. Have people forgot so soon? And, you suppose this hasn't happened with Noah's Flood too? The further we get away from it the less information we find about it.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You are admitting that you are wrong so soon? Why would you do that? I know that both of your posts here are amazingly ignorant, but that is no reason to disqualify yourself by breaking Godwin's Law so early in a discussion.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Audie
Veteran Member
Genesis 1:2, ...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. See, in the beginning, the earth was not present. But, there was nothing but water. In verse 6, God put a firmament in the midst of the waters and it divided the waters into 2. Above the firmament (Heaven) and below the firmament or in the earth. Thus, a universe full of water surrounded the earth. And waters beneath the surface. As the creation continued, the Sun appeared as well as the starts and galaxies. However, we know that in the Bible, prior to the flood, Adam and all people lived hundreds of years. Perhaps the waters above the earth blocked out the harmful deadly rays of the Sun. After the flood when the waters above as well as the waters in the earth came upon the entire earth flooding all mountainous regions, the Sun's rays now harm us killing us sooner. We don't live so long
So, it wasn't just the rain from normal cloud formations. Genesis 7:11, In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Verse 12, "And," (Meaning in addition to) the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
I know you tried to sound intelligent with your mathematical skills :-/~ But, you completely lost track of the topic and from where the Noah's Flood account was written in. And, you apparently don't know the specifics of that either. Also, it doesn't seem that you understand time and relativity.
So, are you saying there really-really was a world wide
flood that drownded all but a boat load?
Because, quote bible at us all you like, and find problems
with other people's ability as you fancy but-
There was no flood, and only someone deeply into
self deception / ignorance could possibly think otherwise.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Nonsense.
Audie
Veteran Member
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
How we know that there was no Flood of Noah.
The OP does not establish that Noah did not exist or that no event of flood did happen in Noah's time. If the approach of the OP is from science, then it has to be taken seriously from the point of view of science strictly. Right, please?
Regards
___________
*Quran Chapter 71 Noah/Nooh
71:1]
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[71:2]
We sent Noah to his people, saying, ‘Warn thy people before there comes upon them a grievous punishment.’
[71:3]
He said, ‘O my people! surely I am a plain Warner unto you,
[71:4]
‘That you serve Allah and fear Him and obey me.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 71: Nooh
Genesis is neither authored by G-d nor even written by Moses, the narrators who narrated it and the scribes who wrote it were human beings who made mistakes/exaggerations and also the clergy had their own axe to grind.
The OP does not establish that Noah did not exist or that no event of flood did happen in Noah's time. If the approach of the OP is from science, then it has to be taken seriously from the point of view of science strictly. Right, please?
Regards
___________
*Quran Chapter 71 Noah/Nooh
71:1]
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[71:2]
We sent Noah to his people, saying, ‘Warn thy people before there comes upon them a grievous punishment.’
[71:3]
He said, ‘O my people! surely I am a plain Warner unto you,
[71:4]
‘That you serve Allah and fear Him and obey me.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 71: Nooh
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Genesis is much younger than literalists tend to believe, and the Noah's Ark myth was almost certainly a retelling of the Gilgamesh flood.
If you believe the flood myth and would like to see me refute it you must clearly state the version that you believe.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"Remember my one assumption that God does not lie?"
It is a religious fact/truth that God does not lie. Right, please?
Regards
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, not really. God is a man made concept. It can do anything that man can think of. But I was asking for your version of the flood.
Something to consider- sorry; it's a long read
"The major volcanic explosion of Hekla 4 in Iceland, which spewed out massive amounts of larva, coupled with a close encounter with a passing comet and a Tunguska like fireball, are believed to have been major issues in the inundation of Ireland that is said to have been left waste for 30 odd years, and the devastating flood around the Mediterranean Sea, which was the known civilized world in the days of Noah around 2350 B.C, the time when this catastrophic event is said to have occurred.
To those who are interested, I would advise them to read the complete “Report on Second Cambridge Conference,” an article by Mark Bailey Posted December 15 1997. Following is a small extract from said article.
Marie-Agnes Courty (CNRS, Grignon) presented new archaeological data concerning a catastrophe inferred to have occurred in the Middle East c.2350 BC. She emphasized the importance of high-time-resolution archaeological investigations in the assessment of natural catastrophes on societal collapse, the data in this case indicating the combination of a burnt surface horizon and air blast, consistent with a Tunguska-like fireball, but possibly also a major volcanic event.
The evidence for regional environmental change at about the same time was confirmed and extended by Mike Baillie (Queen’s University Belfast), whose tree-ring analyses of Irish bog oaks showed very significant narrowing of the rings around the year 2345 BC, associated with identified tephra from the Icelandic Hekla 4 volcano, dated to 2310 +/- 20 BC. This suggests a volcanic origin of the c. 2350 BC event identified by Courty, but the period in question is also associated with other events, including floods, the creation of new lakes and even the traditional start of Chinese history! In Baillie’s words, 2345 BC ‘is a classic marker date, i.e. a date which will show up on a regular basis in studies of various kinds’.
Although the flood story as handed down from Noah to his descendant Abraham, may have been a local event around Ireland and the coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, and as far inland to the Euphrates and beyond, it would have been recorded as an event which had flooded their entire known world.
And according to the “Report on Second Cambridge Conference,” an article by Mark Bailey,” there were world-wide volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, and destructive floods, which have been recorded from many different civilisations around the globe.
The people of the pre-flood days would not have known that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, nor would they have known how many continents and islands there are on this earth. Their known world was limited to the civilised world of those days.
The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those which were chosen from the animals that had been forced to flee from the rising waters to the higher ground, upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have only been those of his known world that was flooded around the year 2350 BC.
The Ark, which was a rectangular chest-like floating container built of Kopherwood, would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking, and Kopherwood is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen. The Ark was subject to tides, currents and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the hand of the Lord.
According to the Turin papyrus list, Teti ruled for six months, and Pepi 1, began his rule after Teti, which according to some Egyptologists, was 33 years later, leaving a gap of 33 years between Teti and his successor Pepi, this would support the belief that some catastrophic event occurred around that time, where the evidence shows that Ireland was inundated, around the time of the eruption of Helka4 and is said to have remained desolate for 30 years. A flood of that magnitude would have surely been experienced throughout the Middle East, and perhaps Egypt was desolate and without a king or countrymen for some thirty years also. I believe that the flood that occurred in Noah’ day, around 2,350 BC, was an event that would have been recorded and handed down by a witness of that era, as a world-wide flood.
According to the “Report on Second Cambridge Conference,” an article by Mark Bailey Posted December 15 1997. There were major events occurring around the world at that time, floods, Meteorite strikes, caused by a close encounter with a disintegrating comet, presumable causing catastrophic world-wide tsunami’ etc, and the flood stories are found throughout the countries of the world.
Over 2,000 years before George Smith’s discovery of the deluge tablets in Iraq, there existed an account of the Chaldean [pre-Babylonian] flood myth. Berosus, an ancient Chaldean historian living in the time of Alexander the Great in the 4th century B.C.E, relayed to the Greeks the antiquity of his peoples deluge myth in the following words: “After the death of Ardates, his son Xisuthrus reigned eighteen sari. In his time happened a great deluge; the history of which is thus described.
The deity Cronos appeared to him in a vision, and warned him that upon the fifteenth day of the month Daesius there would be a flood, by which mankind be destroyed. He therefore enjoined him to write a history of the beginning, procedure, and conclusion of all things, and to bury it in the city of the sun at Sippara; and to build a vessel, and take with him into it his friends and relations; and to convey on board everything necessary to sustain life, together with all the different animals, [In the area of his known world] both birds and quadrupeds, and trust himself fearlessly to the deep.
Having asked the Deity whither he was to sail, he was answered, “To the Gods;” upon which he offered up a prayer for the good of mankind. He then obeyed the divine admonition and built a vessel five stadia in length, and two in breadth. Into this he put everything which he had prepared, and last of all conveyed into it his wife, his children and his friends. After the flood had been upon the earth, and was in time abated, Xisuthrus sent out birds from the vessel; which finding no food, nor any place whereupon they might rest their feet, returned to him again. After an interval of some days, he sent them forth a second time; and they now returned with their feet tinged with mud. He made a trial a third time with these birds; but they returned to him no more: from whence he judged that the surface of the earth had appeared above the waters.
He therefore made an opening in the vessel, and upon looking out found that it was stranded upon the side of some mountains; upon which he immediately quitted it with his wife, his children, and the pilot. Xisuhrus then paid his adoration to the earth: and having constructed an altar, offered sacrifices to the Gods.”
It should be noted that the account of the deluge relayed in the tablets discovered by George Smith differ only very slightly from Berosus’ account, which differs only slightly from the story handed down by the Chaldean, Abraham, whose father ‘Terah’ was High Priest in the temple of the Chaldean city of Ur.
The flood of Noah didn’t come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. Something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time “He walked with God.” Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his firstborn son ‘Methuselah’ was alive, the judgement of the flood would be withheld, but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.
Enoch named his firstborn to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means death, and from shalach, which means ‘To Bring’ or ‘To Send Forth.’ Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, ‘His Death Shall Bring.’ And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.
Remembering that Abraham was the son of Terah the High priest of the temple in the Chaldean city of Ur, and he was, according to the erroneous Roman OT, 58 when Noah died, but who, according to the Septuagint, was born 822 years after the death of Noah, the question is now asked, could the Chaldean name ‘Arsates’ mean, ‘When he dies it will happen? And could the name ‘Xisuthrus’ have the same meaning as that of the name ‘Noah’, which is, “One who brings relief or comfort?”
The Chaldean month of Daesius, is the 2nd month, which corresponds with the biblical account that it was in the second month that the flood came. But there is a two-day discrepancy: the biblical account is the 17th day, [See Genesis 7: 11.] whereas the other is the 15th day.
These three flood accounts are so similar it becomes obvious that they originated from the one source. Another interesting similarity between the Chaldean deluge story and the one as handed down through the Hebrew, is that before the flood, people lived extraordinary long lives until the god/gods declared that man shall no longer live past a restricted age limit. This signifies that the floods of both cultures mark the same transition in the history of the world, that being, the birth of the modern world.
The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for over 4,000 years."
Yahweh: A Volcano Mountain GOD of Fire and War
"The major volcanic explosion of Hekla 4 in Iceland, which spewed out massive amounts of larva, coupled with a close encounter with a passing comet and a Tunguska like fireball, are believed to have been major issues in the inundation of Ireland that is said to have been left waste for 30 odd years, and the devastating flood around the Mediterranean Sea, which was the known civilized world in the days of Noah around 2350 B.C, the time when this catastrophic event is said to have occurred.
To those who are interested, I would advise them to read the complete “Report on Second Cambridge Conference,” an article by Mark Bailey Posted December 15 1997. Following is a small extract from said article.
Marie-Agnes Courty (CNRS, Grignon) presented new archaeological data concerning a catastrophe inferred to have occurred in the Middle East c.2350 BC. She emphasized the importance of high-time-resolution archaeological investigations in the assessment of natural catastrophes on societal collapse, the data in this case indicating the combination of a burnt surface horizon and air blast, consistent with a Tunguska-like fireball, but possibly also a major volcanic event.
The evidence for regional environmental change at about the same time was confirmed and extended by Mike Baillie (Queen’s University Belfast), whose tree-ring analyses of Irish bog oaks showed very significant narrowing of the rings around the year 2345 BC, associated with identified tephra from the Icelandic Hekla 4 volcano, dated to 2310 +/- 20 BC. This suggests a volcanic origin of the c. 2350 BC event identified by Courty, but the period in question is also associated with other events, including floods, the creation of new lakes and even the traditional start of Chinese history! In Baillie’s words, 2345 BC ‘is a classic marker date, i.e. a date which will show up on a regular basis in studies of various kinds’.
Although the flood story as handed down from Noah to his descendant Abraham, may have been a local event around Ireland and the coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, and as far inland to the Euphrates and beyond, it would have been recorded as an event which had flooded their entire known world.
And according to the “Report on Second Cambridge Conference,” an article by Mark Bailey,” there were world-wide volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, and destructive floods, which have been recorded from many different civilisations around the globe.
The people of the pre-flood days would not have known that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, nor would they have known how many continents and islands there are on this earth. Their known world was limited to the civilised world of those days.
The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those which were chosen from the animals that had been forced to flee from the rising waters to the higher ground, upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have only been those of his known world that was flooded around the year 2350 BC.
The Ark, which was a rectangular chest-like floating container built of Kopherwood, would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking, and Kopherwood is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen. The Ark was subject to tides, currents and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the hand of the Lord.
According to the Turin papyrus list, Teti ruled for six months, and Pepi 1, began his rule after Teti, which according to some Egyptologists, was 33 years later, leaving a gap of 33 years between Teti and his successor Pepi, this would support the belief that some catastrophic event occurred around that time, where the evidence shows that Ireland was inundated, around the time of the eruption of Helka4 and is said to have remained desolate for 30 years. A flood of that magnitude would have surely been experienced throughout the Middle East, and perhaps Egypt was desolate and without a king or countrymen for some thirty years also. I believe that the flood that occurred in Noah’ day, around 2,350 BC, was an event that would have been recorded and handed down by a witness of that era, as a world-wide flood.
According to the “Report on Second Cambridge Conference,” an article by Mark Bailey Posted December 15 1997. There were major events occurring around the world at that time, floods, Meteorite strikes, caused by a close encounter with a disintegrating comet, presumable causing catastrophic world-wide tsunami’ etc, and the flood stories are found throughout the countries of the world.
Over 2,000 years before George Smith’s discovery of the deluge tablets in Iraq, there existed an account of the Chaldean [pre-Babylonian] flood myth. Berosus, an ancient Chaldean historian living in the time of Alexander the Great in the 4th century B.C.E, relayed to the Greeks the antiquity of his peoples deluge myth in the following words: “After the death of Ardates, his son Xisuthrus reigned eighteen sari. In his time happened a great deluge; the history of which is thus described.
The deity Cronos appeared to him in a vision, and warned him that upon the fifteenth day of the month Daesius there would be a flood, by which mankind be destroyed. He therefore enjoined him to write a history of the beginning, procedure, and conclusion of all things, and to bury it in the city of the sun at Sippara; and to build a vessel, and take with him into it his friends and relations; and to convey on board everything necessary to sustain life, together with all the different animals, [In the area of his known world] both birds and quadrupeds, and trust himself fearlessly to the deep.
Having asked the Deity whither he was to sail, he was answered, “To the Gods;” upon which he offered up a prayer for the good of mankind. He then obeyed the divine admonition and built a vessel five stadia in length, and two in breadth. Into this he put everything which he had prepared, and last of all conveyed into it his wife, his children and his friends. After the flood had been upon the earth, and was in time abated, Xisuthrus sent out birds from the vessel; which finding no food, nor any place whereupon they might rest their feet, returned to him again. After an interval of some days, he sent them forth a second time; and they now returned with their feet tinged with mud. He made a trial a third time with these birds; but they returned to him no more: from whence he judged that the surface of the earth had appeared above the waters.
He therefore made an opening in the vessel, and upon looking out found that it was stranded upon the side of some mountains; upon which he immediately quitted it with his wife, his children, and the pilot. Xisuhrus then paid his adoration to the earth: and having constructed an altar, offered sacrifices to the Gods.”
It should be noted that the account of the deluge relayed in the tablets discovered by George Smith differ only very slightly from Berosus’ account, which differs only slightly from the story handed down by the Chaldean, Abraham, whose father ‘Terah’ was High Priest in the temple of the Chaldean city of Ur.
The flood of Noah didn’t come as a surprise. It had been preached on for four generations. Something strange happened when Enoch was 65, from which time “He walked with God.” Enoch was given a prophecy that as long as his firstborn son ‘Methuselah’ was alive, the judgement of the flood would be withheld, but as soon as he died, the flood would be sent forth.
Enoch named his firstborn to reflect this prophecy. The name Methuselah comes from two roots: muth, a root that means death, and from shalach, which means ‘To Bring’ or ‘To Send Forth.’ Thus, the name Methuselah signifies, ‘His Death Shall Bring.’ And, indeed, in the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.
Remembering that Abraham was the son of Terah the High priest of the temple in the Chaldean city of Ur, and he was, according to the erroneous Roman OT, 58 when Noah died, but who, according to the Septuagint, was born 822 years after the death of Noah, the question is now asked, could the Chaldean name ‘Arsates’ mean, ‘When he dies it will happen? And could the name ‘Xisuthrus’ have the same meaning as that of the name ‘Noah’, which is, “One who brings relief or comfort?”
The Chaldean month of Daesius, is the 2nd month, which corresponds with the biblical account that it was in the second month that the flood came. But there is a two-day discrepancy: the biblical account is the 17th day, [See Genesis 7: 11.] whereas the other is the 15th day.
These three flood accounts are so similar it becomes obvious that they originated from the one source. Another interesting similarity between the Chaldean deluge story and the one as handed down through the Hebrew, is that before the flood, people lived extraordinary long lives until the god/gods declared that man shall no longer live past a restricted age limit. This signifies that the floods of both cultures mark the same transition in the history of the world, that being, the birth of the modern world.
The more that I am forced to look at the flood accounts, the more I am convinced that some catastrophic event occurred 4,500 years ago, which caused worldwide devastating floods and tsunamis, of which the more accurate account of the flood that devastated the civilized world of that day, can be found in the Hebrew culture that came down from the Chaldean Abraham, and his family, whose language and racial religion have remained intact for over 4,000 years."
Yahweh: A Volcano Mountain GOD of Fire and War
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