Huge gap between humans and animals

[FearGod]

This is one of the things that those afraid of being associated with animals cannot comprehend. Yes our thinking is advanced but the basic neuronal network is present in other animals and even through convergent evolution. Yes the cheetah is the fastest land mammal but that does not make it do unique, yes the falcon is the fastest bird and yet it is still an animal. Other animals have complex cognitive abilities not to our extent but give them time - that is if we allow them to without destroying the world they live in. It seems to be fear that they are not so different that drives them to deny the obvious.

Do you then prefer to be a cheetah because you can run faster than a car?

Or do you prefer to be a falcon so you can fly faster than a plane?

 

[FearGod]

I have and you fit them perfectly. You still can't or won't answer my comparison between jellyfish, chimpanzee and human because the answer will show your ideas to be false based on limited humancentric view point which is based on false premise. The reality is so clear yet its answer seems to terrify you so much that you take an absolute stance no matter what is real.

A stupid person won't know that he's stupid, even a child can understand how
huge the gap between humans and animals, it's a perfect saying " we can't fix stupid",
impossible indeed.

 

[Polymath257]

Was you as an individual evolved or you're similar to your parents and other humans?
why you just refuse to accept such a simple fact, evolution have taken place millions
of years, yes your father and your mother have sex, and this is the first step to make(create)
a child, then the process needs a fusion between the sperm and the egg which then make
the final product, a new child.

As has been pointed out to your before, individuals do not evolve, populations evolve. Every individual is slightly different than both parents. That is the core from which evolution works. But every individual is also similar to their parents and to those around them. This is why they can breed, another aspect of evolution.

I, like you, am a member of a population that evolves and has evolved from ancestors that were a different species than the population is now. So, my distant ancestors were not human.

The gap is huge, not a little.

OK, how do you quantify 'huge' versus a 'little'? We are *very* similar to other animals in many ways biologically. Even our brains are similar to those of other animals. Our brains *are* larger and that has effects on our ability to have abstract thoughts, language, and thereby more complex societies.

So, the question becomes whether our ability to have language, abstract thought, and complex societies is enough to claim there is a 'huge' gap between us and other animals. I say not--our biology is so similar to that of other, related, animals, that we seem to be 'of a kind' with them.

 

[Polymath257]

Do you then prefer to be a cheetah because you can run faster than a car?

Spoiler

Or do you prefer to be a falcon so you can fly faster than a plane?

Spoiler

If my goal was to run or fly fast, perhaps. Both of them seem to have a 'huge' gap with other animals in these regards.

Or do they? Do *you* think there is a 'huge' gap between them and other animals? Why or why not?

Humans are good at abstract thought and language, just like cheetahs are good at running and falcons are good at flying.

 

[Polymath257]

A stupid person won't know that he's stupid, even a child can understand how
huge the gap between humans and animals, it's a perfect saying " we can't fix stupid",
impossible indeed.

And yet, the size of the gap seems to be less the more you know about it. So is it the ignorant or the knowledgeable one that needs to be fixed?

 

[tas8831]

Regardless of what we share and what we don't share still the gap is very huge.
between humans and animals,

When you've got nothing else, just repeat the same empty assertions.

 

[FearGod]

As has been pointed out to your before, individuals do not evolve, populations evolve. Every individual is slightly different than both parents. That is the core from which evolution works. But every individual is also similar to their parents and to those around them. This is why they can breed, another aspect of evolution.

I, like you, am a member of a population that evolves and has evolved from ancestors that were a different species than the population is now. So, my distant ancestors were not human.

Again, are you as an individual a product of evolution or reproduction?

OK, how do you quantify 'huge' versus a 'little'? We are *very* similar to other animals in many ways biologically. Even our brains are similar to those of other animals. Our brains *are* larger and that has effects on our ability to have abstract thoughts, language, and thereby more complex societies.

So, the question becomes whether our ability to have language, abstract thought, and complex societies is enough to claim there is a 'huge' gap between us and other animals. I say not--our biology is so similar to that of other, related, animals, that we seem to be 'of a kind' with them.

Humans are genetically close to pigs, does that mean humans and pigs are very
close to each other or even the rats?

All animals share similar way of life with few differences, they don't need to wear cloth,
they don't have their own bedroom, they don't read and write ..etc, Humans are the
only creature on earth that is different than animals and hence the huge gap.

 

[Polymath257]

Again, are you as an individual a product of evolution or reproduction?

Both.

Humans are genetically close to pigs, does that mean humans and pigs are very
close to each other or even the rats?

Well, all of these are mammals, so have a lot of common characteristics. They are all more similar to each other than any are to birds, for example.

All animals share similar way of life with few differences, they don't need to wear cloth,
they don't have their own bedroom, they don't read and write ..etc, Humans are the
only creature on earth that is different than animals and hence the huge gap.

Their own bedroom???

Yes, once again, humans have complex language and other animals do not. As for reading and writing, those are both *very* late developments and no all humans have had those abilities. So you are pointing to something that doesn't characterize humans, but only that subset of humans that have developed writing.

Maybe you should look a bit closer to the wide variety of animals.

 

[FearGod]

If my goal was to run or fly fast, perhaps. Both of them seem to have a 'huge' gap with other animals in these regards.

Or do they? Do *you* think there is a 'huge' gap between them and other animals? Why or why not?

Humans are good at abstract thought and language, just like cheetahs are good at running and falcons are good at flying.

No they aren't alone, many animals that can run fast and fly.
The Pronghorn antelope can run at the speed of 60 mph while the Cheetah run at speed
of 70 mph, the difference is small.

The Peregrine eagle can fly at speed of 200 mph while falcon at speed of 240 mph,
so the difference isn't huge.

Tell me just one animal that can read and write just few words and not sentences.

 

[FearGod]

Both.

Were your father and your mother monkeys and you evolved to a human?

Well, all of these are mammals, so have a lot of common characteristics. They are all more similar to each other than any are to birds, for example.

You see that the difference is small between humans and rats

Their own bedroom???

Yes, once again, humans have complex language and other animals do not. As for reading and writing, those are both *very* late developments and no all humans have had those abilities. So you are pointing to something that doesn't characterize humans, but only that subset of humans that have developed writing.

Maybe you should look a bit closer to the wide variety of animals.

A human can learn how to read and how to write, but can you teach a monkey of doing the same, little children can read and write.

 

[FearGod]

And yet, the size of the gap seems to be less the more you know about it. So is it the ignorant or the knowledgeable one that needs to be fixed?

I believe stupids need to be fixed, but it's an impossible task.

 

[Polymath257]

No they aren't alone, many animals that can run fast and fly.
The Pronghorn antelope can run at the speed of 60 mph while the Cheetah run at speed
of 70 mph, the difference is small.

The Peregrine eagle can fly at speed of 200 mph while falcon at speed of 240 mph,
so the difference isn't huge.

A 16% and a 20% difference. Both seem like large differences.

Tell me just one animal that can read and write just few words and not sentences.

Tell me one human from 10,000 years ago that could read or write.

Once again, I agree that humans are unique in having complex language. Other animals, however, have simpler communication techniques that are similar to what one-year old humans do.

Maybe you should look at the range of animal communication strategies?

 

[FearGod]

When you've got nothing else, just repeat the same empty assertions.

Which animal is very close to you? the chimpanzee

 

[FearGod]

A 16% and a 20% difference. Both seem like large differences.

If that isn't small then what about 80% or 90% differences.

Tell me one human from 10,000 years ago that could read or write.

Once again, I agree that humans are unique in having complex language. Other animals, however, have simpler communication techniques that are similar to what one-year old humans do.

Maybe you should look at the range of animal communication strategies?

Still you don't want to admit that there's a huge gap between humans and animals
but you're willing to think that there's a huge gap between the speed of the cheetah
and the Pronghorn antelope.

 

[tas8831]

Which animal is very close to you? the chimpanzee

Correct.
What is the "huge gap"? It is emotional fluff to look at the superficial issues and declare a 'huge gap' - the hair? The 'snout'? Tell us. Then explain the rationale for declaring that a 'huge gap.'
I'm betting that there will not be much substance.

 

[tas8831]

Again, are you as an individual a product of evolution or reproduction?

Both.

Humans are genetically close to pigs, does that mean humans and pigs are very
close to each other or even the rats?

We are closer to pigs and rats than we are to alligators, this is true. But we are much closer to chimps than we are to rats or pigs, genetically, morphologically, behaviorally. Why does this scare you so much?

All animals share similar way of life with few differences, they don't need to wear cloth,
they don't have their own bedroom, they don't read and write ..etc, Humans are the
only creature on earth that is different than animals and hence the huge gap.

So, your 'huge gap' is premised on us wearing pants and having a bedroom?

 

[tas8831]

Still you don't want to admit that there's a huge gap between humans and animals
but you're willing to think that there's a huge gap between the speed of the cheetah
and the Pronghorn antelope.

Probably because cheetahs wear flip flops and like to surf.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'll call that out as well. When you have so little respect for women that you would resort to a rather dirty word to say that's where babies come from, you totally blew to gimmick. Trying to dismiss it, don't even try to pretend.

 

[Bear Wild]

Do you then prefer to be a cheetah because you can run faster than a car?

Or do you prefer to be a falcon so you can fly faster than a plane?

When you can fly faster than a falcon without a plane then I would love to see you do it. If you can run faster without a car than a cheetah which I hope it will never come to for your sake then your argument still fails biologically.

 

[Bear Wild]

Do you then prefer to be a cheetah because you can run faster than a car?

Or do you prefer to be a falcon so you can fly faster than a plane?

I see you evaded the difference between the jellyfish and the chimpanzee compared to the chimpanzee and the human. Why do you not post a picture of them together and explain how there is a larger difference between chimp an human vs chimp and jellyfish! The collective technology we have become dependent on is the result of recordable language and no single human created it unless you want to claim that for yourself.