Huge gap between humans and animals

[Polymath257]

If that isn't small then what about 80% or 90% differences.

Those are larger.

But the differences between us and chimps, at least genetically, are on the order of 1-2%.

Still you don't want to admit that there's a huge gap between humans and animals
but you're willing to think that there's a huge gap between the speed of the cheetah
and the Pronghorn antelope.

What I am attempting to point out is that the size of the gap depends on what variable you measure. In many ways, we are very similar to other animals. In a very few ways we are more different, but still less than many people suspect.

For example, the picture of the chimp you gave suggests you think that the gap between us and chimps is 'huge'. Why? because they have hair and we don't have as much? Or because they have a better memory than we do? or because we have complex language and they don't?

Be specific about what you consider the 'huge gap' to be in relation to and how you judge that gap to be 'huge'.

Here is a related issue, though. is an inch a 'huge gap'? If we are talking about planetary distances, not at all. If we are talking about gaps in spark plugs, it is huge. In other words, context is important in determining whether a gap is 'huge' or not. The same size of gap might be 'huge' in one context and minuscule in another. When you ask to compare humans and other animals, the default context is the biology of us and them. And, in that context, the gap between us and other animals isn't so large. But, if you want to look at things like language, the gap is larger.

You also seem to want to compare modern, technological humans to other animals as opposed to pre-modern, non-technological humans. if you go back to humans that lived 10,000 years ago, the gap isn't nearly as large as it is now. Why? Because we simply didn't have the knowledge at that time. Again, just what is expected given how we evolved.

 

[FearGod]

I believe this thread has exposed the atheists and their lies even in denying
the obvious such as the clear signs that humans are special creatures and not
similar to other animals.

They want us just to believe that we're animals manufactured by the nature
similar to any thing that exists, be it bacteria, ants, pigs, dogs...etc

They want you to believe that there's no plan for humans to be here on earth,
they want us to live like animals because we are animals.

Have a look at the Chimpanzee and the Gorilla, both are close to humans
and they look similar to each other but never close to humans in shape,
in mind and in their way of living.

Wake up and be humans, we're far far different than the rest of animals, humans
are something else regardless of how God created us in similar way in creating
other living things on earth.

 

[tas8831]

I believe this thread has exposed the atheists and their lies even in denying
the obvious such as the clear signs that humans are special creatures and not
similar to other animals.

They want us just to believe that we're animals manufactured by the nature
similar to any thing that exists, be it bacteria, ants, pigs, dogs...etc

They want you to believe that there's no plan for humans to be here on earth,
they want us to live like animals because we are animals.

Have a look at the Chimpanzee and the Gorilla, both are close to humans
and they look similar to each other but never close to humans in shape,
in mind and in their way of living.

Wake up and be humans, we're far far different than the rest of animals, humans
are something else regardless of how God created us in similar way in creating
other living things on earth.

We get it, you have an emotional attachment to the things you have been force-fed in your church.
We also get that beyond your emotional desperation, you have exactly NOTHING to offer.

 

[FearGod]

We get it, you have an emotional attachment to the things you have been force-fed in your church.
We also get that beyond your emotional desperation, you have exactly NOTHING to offer.

Actually I became more convinced that the atheists are deceivers, religion isn't about
the church or a building, religion is our guide for morals and sincerity in which I found
you lack,

I made this thread just to expose you and your fellows and I hope the clean humans
won't be infected with your worms.

 

[Polymath257]

Actually I became more convinced that the atheists are deceivers, religion isn't about
the church or a building, religion is our guide for morals and sincerity in which I found
you lack,

I made this thread just to expose you and your fellows and I hope the clean humans
won't be infected with your worms.

Where did we show a lack of morals or sincerity? We merely pointed out that the gap between humans and other animals isn't as large as many people want to think it is.

And no, we do not point this out so we can 'act like animals'. Although, given the way many humans act, that would often be an improvement. Morals are a separate issue from biology. They have to do with how we humans should get along with each other: what our goals are and how we treat each other. As far as I can see, morals have not been discussed in this thread at all.

As for sincerity: I assure you I am quite sincere in my evaluation of the biology of humans. I am also quite sincere in my statements that I made here. But, I disagree with your statements.

Once you realize that people can sincerely disagree about the topic of this thread, you might have made an important intellectual leap.

 

[FearGod]

Where did we show a lack of morals or sincerity? We merely pointed out that the gap between humans and other animals isn't as large as many people want to think it is.

And no, we do not point this out so we can 'act like animals'. Although, given the way many humans act, that would often be an improvement. Morals are a separate issue from biology. They have to do with how we humans should get along with each other: what our goals are and how we treat each other. As far as I can see, morals have not been discussed in this thread at all.

As for sincerity: I assure you I am quite sincere in my evaluation of the biology of humans. I am also quite sincere in my statements that I made here. But, I disagree with your statements.

Once you realize that people can sincerely disagree about the topic of this thread, you might have made an important intellectual leap.

We were fishes before being humans, can you say that we're similar to fishes
according to biology and the gap between fishes and humans is insignificant.
let's examine your sincerity.

 

[sealchan]

I wouldn't want to "ape" what others told me all the time but rather "ferret" out the truth for myself.

There is a fairly small genetic difference between humans and other life forms and as far as the body is concerned this shows we are largely similar to other mammalian life forms especially primates.

Some researchers have proposed that aside from our upright posture it was the ability to utter 'whole tones' with the larynx/voice box which enabled our ancestors to communicate using clearly distinguishable sounds which then could give rise to language.

Chimps have been trained in sign language and have been seen spontaneously teaching their children. They can use language to a certain extent. But we must suppose that increases in brain size post rudimentary language allowed for that language of our distant ancestors to expand and our ability to survive through communication of a whole community of insight and experience.

Fascinating stuff.

But then of course these "small" changes have yielded wildly big differences in the course of the history of the whole biosphere. Humans have evolved such a superior survival advantage that they have become an effect predator in every single biological community one can think of.

What makes humans special is our level of participation in what Teilhard de Chardin calls the noosphere, the next layer of physical activity above the biosphere.

 

[sealchan]

I believe this thread has exposed the atheists and their lies even in denying
the obvious such as the clear signs that humans are special creatures and not
similar to other animals.

They want us just to believe that we're animals manufactured by the nature
similar to any thing that exists, be it bacteria, ants, pigs, dogs...etc

They want you to believe that there's no plan for humans to be here on earth,
they want us to live like animals because we are animals.

Have a look at the Chimpanzee and the Gorilla, both are close to humans
and they look similar to each other but never close to humans in shape,
in mind and in their way of living.

Wake up and be humans, we're far far different than the rest of animals, humans
are something else regardless of how God created us in similar way in creating
other living things on earth.

And what if you were passing by that chimp and he signed "Hello" to you? And in answering your friendly reply told you, in sign, what he was wanting to do?

 

[Bear Wild]

I wouldn't want to "ape" what others told me all the time but rather "ferret" out the truth for myself.

There is a fairly small genetic difference between humans and other life forms and as far as the body is concerned this shows we are largely similar to other mammalian life forms especially primates.

Some researchers have proposed that aside from our upright posture it was the ability to utter 'whole tones' with the larynx/voice box which enabled our ancestors to communicate using clearly distinguishable sounds which then could give rise to language.

Chimps have been trained in sign language and have been seen spontaneously teaching their children. They can use language to a certain extent. But we must suppose that increases in brain size post rudimentary language allowed for that language of our distant ancestors to expand and our ability to survive through communication of a whole community of insight and experience.

Fascinating stuff.

But then of course these "small" changes have yielded wildly big differences in the course of the history of the whole biosphere. Humans have evolved such a superior survival advantage that they have become an effect predator in every single biological community one can think of.

What makes humans special is our level of participation in what Teilhard de Chardin calls the noosphere, the next layer of physical activity above the biosphere.

What makes the noosphere different than the force in star wars or the shaman in an altered state of consciousness communicating to other spiritual beings other than is seems restricted to human to human as I understand it?

 

[Thief]

we have a new puppy....
we communicate just fine

I grab her by the scruff of the neck
shove her face in the poop
and throw her outside

 

[Bear Wild]

we have a new puppy....
we communicate just fine

I grab her by the scruff of the neck
shove her face in the poop
and throw her outside

I see how you are so compassionate. You must feel so powerful don't you that you can control a puppy with force. What an amazing animal you are.

 

[YoursTrue]

Still fish regardless of their sizes, but humans are unique.

It's amazing to me that some people do not see that. Fish have their unique qualities, humans obviously have theirs.

 

[YoursTrue]

we have a new puppy....
we communicate just fine

I grab her by the scruff of the neck
shove her face in the poop
and throw her outside

You don't really mean that, do you? I hope not. If you do what you just said you do, you are acting cruelly. And that it's sad, it's a shame. I hope you change and treat your animals with kindness.

 

[YoursTrue]

If you don't mind me asking, what is your first language?

I agree that humans are way different than chimps. I'm not seeing any evidence that chimpanzees are more evolved now than they were 10,000 years ago. I don't think they live in nicer houses or are any closer to having toilets and Plumbing now than they were thousands of years ago.

Where as human beings have spaceships that go to the Moon, satellites in the sky, and cell phones. I don't see humans having too much in common with chimpanzees except for DNA.

It's obvious to me that you are right. (I didn't always believe that way.) But also obviously, many people do not agree with you.

 

[Thief]

You don't really mean that, do you? I hope not. If you do what you just said you do, you are acting cruelly. And that it's sad, it's a shame. I hope you change and treat your animals with kindness.

and your technique is better?

pray tell

 

[Thief]

I see how you are so compassionate. You must feel so powerful don't you that you can control a puppy with force. What an amazing animal you are.

actually .....it's just practical

 

[Thief]

I made this thread just to expose you and your fellows and I hope the clean humans
won't be infected with your worms.

and so it is.....

I shove the puppy face in the poop
and throw her outside

worms can infect the carpet

then you

 

[Bear Wild]

actually .....it's just practical

Depends how you train the dog whether it is practical or not. Timing is everything and there are other more affective ways.

 

[Thief]

pray tell

 

[Thief]

my Doberman growled at me.....once
I proceeded to explain the difference between me......and the dog

afterwards.....one of the best dogs I ever had