Humans and Chimp, its True...

[Gabethewiking]

You want a "step by step", but the problem is there is no such thing, It depends on area of research and what we want to know and so forth. You need to state What we speak about, What you want to know, and then we go from there. Do you want to know how we know the facts of our Evolution? Considering you ignored everything said and stated that "it is not true", I do not know how I can respond to that as you deny any evidence and facts I give.

 

[Man of Faith]

It is rather that I suspect it is way of wasting my time. Excuse my negative slanted view, but what if I waste hours of time writing and trying to explain these things to you and then you say, as you do to everything else, "No its not true"? I am a little confused what you really want, I gave you a explanation, you ignored it, I also referred you to the internet and various sources as a backup, but you ignored that too.Why wouldn't you ignore anything else? I do not understand what you want, nor do I udnerstand what you mean of being "afraid of the scientific method", if you would give a more detailed post, perhaps we can continue?

My hands are tied. Whenever I post something I get "I see you don't understand evolution or the science". I want to eliminate the possiblity of that and the only way is for you to post the facts as you see it from my questions. Can you post the step by step scientific method? If you posted it the first time I asked for it we would already be moving on to trying to prove your facts.

 

[TheNorthernExodus]

I am going to signal myself as an enemy to both camps here but I am a Christian and I accept evolution as one of the most if not the most well supported scientific theory that we have, I know us moderates get flak from both ends of the spectrum for marrying the Bible and Evolution but the way I see it is this.
Science does many wonderfull things for us and some not so wonderfull but as an extra bonus I reckon Science helps to reveal scripture, the literal approach to English translation of Genesis a book which is largely written in Hebrew poetry and the block logic of the ancient Hebrews holds little of value imho.
I mean no insult by that, I could ofcourse be wrong in my interpretations of scripture but there in lies the crux, I am of the opinion that there are certain Christians that hold their interpretations of scripture as being more infallible than the book itself.
There are millions of things in the Bible waiting to be discovered imho, nobody currently knows everything there is to know about any portion of scripture as far as I am aware, it is a book which is alive and anything which is alive changes and adapts (could say evolves) to new information,
God gave us the Bible via divine inspiration yes?(to the Christians), God has also put us on a planet with everything we need to, and given us sufficient minds to unlock the very fabric of space and make a multitude of past, present and future discoveries.
Now we are here discussing one of those dicoveries, Evolution does not say God didnt do or create anything, it simply explains why some sea mammals have hooves and some snakes have vestigal legs, and yet some are all up in arms over this theory and it will no doubt get discussed form here until kingdom come, yet nobody gets claws and teeth over the theory of gravity on sites like this or Atomic theory, its always Evolution even though Evolution has nothing to do with creation/beginings.
It strikes me that Evolution only conflicts with peoples theories with regard to scripture but the thing is this, if your theory of scripture conflicts with evolution one of two things is so.
Either evolution the most scrutinised scientific theory in history that is supported by every field of related sciences is wrong and you are right or your interpretation is wrong and evolution is right.
However if you think that your Biblical inetrpretation is beyond reproach and the only way to interpret it and yet it conflicts with Evolution, then the Bible is worthless if you happen to be right so I hope you are wrong.
On the other hand I am perfectly happy to be a Christian and support the Bible as innerrant divine truth, and to accept evolution as fully as I accept gravity, a round earth and God willing in the future a one shot cure for boldness (I reckon the Scientists have 15 years pretty please)

 

[Man of Faith]

You want a "step by step", but the problem is there is no such thing, It depends on area of research and what we want to know and so forth. You need to state What we speak about, What you want to know, and then we go from there. Do you want to know how we know the facts of our Evolution? Considering you ignored everything said and stated that "it is not true", I do not know how I can respond to that as you deny any evidence and facts I give.

Where is the elusive scientific method that I have heard so much about? Did science take you to evolution or not and if it did how did it without a method?

 

[Tristesse]

My hands are tied. Whenever I post something I get "I see you don't understand evolution or the science". I want to eliminate the possiblity of that and the only way is for you to post the facts as you see it from my questions. Can you post the step by step scientific method? If you posted it the first time I asked for it we would already be moving on to trying to prove your facts.

These are the main steps in the scientific method:

Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

Each step is much more elaborate than it sounds.

 

[Father Heathen]

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."

Which is essentially what is going on here. Ignoring solid logic and an insurmountable mountain of evidence in lieu of something totally unsubstantiated and irrational is a prime example of willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty. If you would rather believe the writings of ancient goat herders than modern scientists then what business would you have using the fruits of science (such at the computer you're sitting at)?

 

[dust1n]

SCIENTIFIC METHOD:

Notice something...

Form a hypothesis...

Create a set of circumstances (a control and a variable experiment.)

Observe...

If experiments confirm hypothesis, write a report on it, send it to a scientific publication. Then the experiment will be replicated over and over until it's universally understood.

If experiments do not confirm hypothesis, adjust hypothesis to a confirmed observation, or scrap hypothesis...


Can you explain to me how the Religious Method works?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Can you explain to me how the Religious Method works?

1) Assume a conclusion;

2) Ignore anything which doesn't support 1);

3) Uncritically accept anything which supports 1);

4) Repeat 2) and 3) as needed.

 

[Gabethewiking]

My hands are tied. Whenever I post something I get "I see you don't understand evolution or the science". I want to eliminate the possiblity of that and the only way is for you to post the facts as you see it from my questions. Can you post the step by step scientific method? If you posted it the first time I asked for it we would already be moving on to trying to prove your facts.

Well I am short on time, I was forced to see if the internet can help me in this as you clearly want a cut and dry answer, so I found a nice Graph for you, it is simple but we can go from there so you understand the basic function, crude but simple.I think this is done to explain a way to conduct scientific research for students.

 

[Gabethewiking]

Added:As Tristesse points out, it is much more complicated then above, but a good starter for you as you are new to science and the scientific method.

 

[camanintx]

You put up a drawing of the ToE, showing how mankind evolved from something other than mankind. Preposterous. That has never been seen and is imagination.

You won't accept common descent because it wasn't seen by anyone. So why exactly do you accept creation?

 

[dust1n]

1) Assume a conclusion;

2) Ignore anything which doesn't support 1);

3) Uncritically accept anything which supports 1);

4) Repeat 2) and 3) as needed.

OOOhh.. I see where the clash is happening now. :yes:

 

[dust1n]

You won't accept common descent because it wasn't seen by anyone. So why exactly do you accept creation?

That's what I said... he didn't reply.

 

[Man of Faith]

These are the main steps in the scientific method:

Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

Each step is much more elaborate than it sounds.

Thanks. Gabe, do you agree with this?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Where is the elusive scientific method that I have heard so much about? Did science take you to evolution or not and if it did how did it without a method?

The Scientific Method stripped to nuts and bolts is thus:

1) Observation - I see a particular phenomenon in nature. For example's sake I'll refer to it as X.

2) Hypotheses - At first I don't understand how X works but after careful observation I come up with a theory to explain X.

3) Prediction - According to my hypotheses, the next step for X should be Y so I continue to observe X to see if this is true. Also, predictions can work in retrograde, as is sometimes the case with Evolution. In this case, the predictions say that the previous step for X should have been W. So I go back and look to see if it is. If my prediction is correct, then I know that my hypotheses is (at least partially) valid. If it is not, then my hypotheses is thrown out and I go back to step 2.

4) Experimentation - I (or my peers) then critically test all of the above to look for any possible mistakes.

This is very over-simplified but it's the only way I know of to impart a basic understanding of the scientific method.

 

[camanintx]

Did I hear someone say that the movie Expelled wasn't true? Well here is the evidence that it is true and exactly what I am talking about that evolution is propogated through intimidation and fear. If I am a scientist this is what is waiting for me if I don't toe the party line on evolution.

Have you been banned from this forum? Have you lost your job because of this post? How exactly have you been "expelled"?

Please try not to confuse criticism with censorship.

 

[Gabethewiking]

Thanks. Gabe, do you agree with this?

It is a simple and suitable way to explain it to you, Yes.

 

[Man of Faith]

Well I am short on time, I was forced to see if the internet can help me in this as you clearly want a cut and dry answer, so I found a nice Graph for you, it is simple but we can go from there so you understand the basic function, crude but simple.I think this is done to explain a way to conduct scientific research for students.

That will work. I am short on time also, but now that we have the scientific method down, I will work on my next question. Hopefully this scientific method will take us to some facts.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

That will work. I am short on time also, but now that we have the scientific method down, I will work on my next question. Hopefully this scientific method will take us to some facts.

It's like knowing a car wreck is about to happen, but there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Gabethewiking]

That will work. I am short on time also, but now that we have the scientific method down, I will work on my next question. Hopefully this scientific method will take us to some facts.

Excellent, I hope you will take time to ask questions as I think that is the best way to correct the misinformation I have seen amongst Creationists, do not hesitate to ask about things you do not understand and if I can not help, no doubt others here can.

Do you not just love these graphical representations, they are so nice and clear. This is the reason I made several for my wife, after she understood the basics of it, I gve her a "real" one and she just melted completely simple because of the complexity of it and told me she liked mine because she understood it, and hence the reason I try to simplify, I explained to my wife that indeed, it is very complicated and made it clear to her that I am no master of this either and I consider it very complicated indeed and various things I have no knowledge about. This is a strength according to me, to see onces faults means that you can do something about it, not admitting ones errors on the other hand makes you closed minded and ignorant. I prefer being wrong and learn then being "right" and wrong... If you get me.

Looking forward to your post.