Humans and Chimp, its True...

[Man of Faith]

You won't accept common descent because it wasn't seen by anyone. So why exactly do you accept creation?

By faith.

 

[Man of Faith]

It's like knowing a car wreck is about to happen, but there's nothing you can do about it.

LOL This is going to be fun. Gabe is willing to show me how science took him to evolution. How the scientific method took him to the conclusion of common descent of all life forms and how chimps are cousins to humans. This is going to be real science to with the scientific method and all that.

 

[Jose Fly]

If I'm ever on trial for a crime that had no eye witnesses, I want MoF on the jury.

"No one saw it happen? Oh well then, no one can ever say it happened or that Jose Fly did it. Not guilty!"

 

[Man of Faith]

If I'm ever on trial for a crime that had no eye witnesses, I want MoF on the jury.

"No one saw it happen? Oh well then, no one can ever say it happened or that Jose Fly did it. Not guilty!"

If Gabe is the prosecutor and pulls out his scientific method chart you might be in trouble. I am willing to follow the scientific method.

 

[Tristesse]

LOL This is going to be fun. Gabe is willing to show me how science took him to evolution. How the scientific method took him to the conclusion of common descent of all life forms and how chimps are cousins to humans. This is going to be real science to with the scientific method and all that.

What part of evolution do you think doesn't follow the guidelines of the scientific method?

 

[painted wolf]

Here one website where you can browse the entire Chimp genome... for those of you who claim it is somehow being hidden or is unavailable.

Chimp (Pan troglodytes) Genome Browser Gateway

wa:do

 

[Jose Fly]

If Gabe is the prosecutor and pulls out his scientific method chart you might be in trouble.

Yup, because under the scientific method, there's no requirement of "You have to see something happen before you can say it did".

I am willing to follow the scientific method.

No you're not. For whatever reason, you seem to carry around this cartoonish version of the SM that says "You can't say something happened unless you see it happen".

 

[Gabethewiking]

If you ladies are done bickering I am waiting for Man of Faiths questions regarding this entire issue, I hope he did not forget about it / Ignored it.

I can not tell you how excited I am, I am so thrilled to get a chance to explain what you are confused about and really eager to show you the real world, I hope you are open to accept facts and reality and truly are as excited as I am to propagate

 

[camanintx]

I will look at data, but I won't accept anything as fact unless I go to my own sources.

Be careful MoF, your sources don't have the best track record when it comes to scientific topics.

 

[Tristesse]

If you ladies are done bickering I am waiting for Man of Faiths questions regarding this entire issue, I hope he did not forget about it / Ignored it.

I can not tell you how excited I am, I am so thrilled to get a chance to explain what you are confused about and really eager to show you the real world, I hope you are open to accept facts and reality and truly are as excited as I am to propagate

I think he already attempted to ask it. Which is, by using the scientific method how can you say evolution happened? or something along those lines.

 

[Gabethewiking]

I think he already attempted to ask it. Which is, by using the scientific method how can you say evolution happened? or something along those lines.

Rats, I read his last line to me and thought he would write me a long post.

MoF said:
That will work. I am short on time also, but now that we have the scientific method down, I will work on my next question. Hopefully this scientific method will take us to some facts.

I hope this is the beginning of a fruitful exchange, he can not ignore or run away from it if he asks the questions himself, so I thought I keep to the exact subject until he understands it, no confusion, and then we continue.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

What we see and the evidence shows is creatures evolve or adapt within specific boundaries. There is no such thing as a dogcat or an apehuman.

Do we evolve or not....Take your pick....You've been stating we don't and there's no evidence and it's all in our minds..but then come right out and say evolution happens....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

What is wrong with getting information from people that you trust and have the same worldview? I'm sure everyone does it. Unless you personally duplicate every experiment in the world and inspect every fossil yourself.

Well the problem here is Hovind, Ham and others like them...including you...don't have a clue as to what the facts really are because, as you clearly admit, you will not accept the facts if they disagree with your worldview.

 

[footprints]

You put up a drawing of the ToE, showing how mankind evolved from something other than mankind. Preposterous. That has never been seen and is imagination. Whenever we find evidence of man living in the past we always find evidence of them doing things, like building pyramids that we cannot duplicate. How were they that smart we ask. It's because they were intelligent just like us, there is no evidence they evolved from animals.

Hi Man of Faith,

Something I will tell you, that I doubt any of the others would, in order to accept the chimp-human relationship, you must also accept the power of association attached to it, that we did evolve from a common ancestor. There is no hard core evidence to conclude this, albeit we do have circumstantial evidence based on genetic codes as it pertains to our relationship to chimps.

Fossile records at this stage could mean anything. Yes they could be a line in serious of evolution stages, then again they could all be single lines which lead to extinction. We really do not know, but we will relate and associate to them with the best our imagination can offer. Anything to fill the picture in and make it complete.

What the fossile records show at this point in time is jumps in stages. When examined, clearly different species. In order to get the picture as portrayed by biology, now you have to put your imagination to work, you have to fill in the jumps of stages with imagined pictures of a slow, slow, transitional state that eventually turned hominidae, into homo habilis, possibly throw neanderthals in there and hey presto homo sapiens appear. If our time line is anywhere near correct, keep in mind our fossile records are very much incomplete if biology is right, there could be 10's of different looking species between hominindae and homo habilis, we still have about another 800,000 years before the next evolution stage. Using a morphing software it took 35 frames to get suggested images of hominidae to turn into homo habilis, each frame noticeably different to the adjacent frames. A similar amount to get homo habilis to turn into homo sapien. However biology suggests we are creeping up on this very, very slowly, one generation at a time and we won't notice it happening. By my morphing software we should see a discernable difference in the human species after about 28,000 years (my morphing software is pretty old). Which could be about right if we look at the discernable, difference between the Australian Aboriginal and the main stream Australian. However all speculation of course.

This though is no different to your own belief, before you can beleive in the miracles of God, you must first accept the association that God exists.

 

[Gabethewiking]

MoF, maybe I am in the wrong timezone here but... I am waiting, possible I am to eager. I apologize...

 

[Gabethewiking]

MoF?....

 

[Gabethewiking]

So.... Am I to assume that he left even if he told me that he would answer?

I mean... Hello? It is sunday here... ?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Well, he hasn't been on since Friday so it could be he's using a work PC to get online. Could be internet troubles too. I say give him another day or so before writing him off.

 

[Man of Faith]

So.... Am I to assume that he left even if he told me that he would answer?

I mean... Hello? It is sunday here... ?

Sorry I had a busy weekend. Lightening struck near my home, when I got home on Friday the electricity was out, then found out the heat was out. Then of course on Sunday I was busy worshiping God. Let me try to remember where the conversation left off.

 

[dust1n]

Sorry I had a busy weekend. Lightening struck near my home, when I got home on Friday the electricity was out, then found out the heat was out. Then of course on Sunday I was busy worshiping God. Let me try to remember where the conversation left off.

That a boy! Underdog pops out of nowhere!