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Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes

Ben West

Member
The Bible uses a great deal of symbolism, and the creation accounts clearly are just that. To read it as a history actually misses the beauty of the symbolism that's involved.

In Judaism, we throughout our written history have used metaphors, allegories, parables, and other literary techniques, much like you'll find in your book of Revelations. Based on what we now know about how both our universe and humanity evolved, it makes not one iota of sense to deal with the genesis accounts as either literal history or science.

We pretty much know that the creation accounts involved us taking a Babylonian narrative, but then adjusting it to reflect our own teachings. Why are we pretty certain this happened? Because in northern Israel was found a Babylonian tablet that predates the writing of Genesis, which does tell us that we were familiar with the Babylonian narrative before we wrote ours.

I would suggest that God is not likely to judge us on having politically-correct beliefs but more likely on our character. The ToE does not eliminate God from consideration, and if anyone is teaching you that it does, then they're either terribly misinformed or are lying.

BTW, "day" in Hebrew is "yom", and even though it means "day" most of them time, sometimes it's used to stand for an indefinite length of time, such as "a thousand years is but a day in the eyes of God".

Dear Metis, Jews rejected God when He walked on our earth and called for His Crucifixion. They violated the commandment to love the LORD thy God by killing Him. Thus, the need for a New Testament since the Jews had broken the Old one
The Bible uses a great deal of symbolism, and the creation accounts clearly are just that. To read it as a history actually misses the beauty of the symbolism that's involved.

In Judaism, we throughout our written history have used metaphors, allegories, parables, and other literary techniques, much like you'll find in your book of Revelations. Based on what we now know about how both our universe and humanity evolved, it makes not one iota of sense to deal with the genesis accounts as either literal history or science.

We pretty much know that the creation accounts involved us taking a Babylonian narrative, but then adjusting it to reflect our own teachings. Why are we pretty certain this happened? Because in northern Israel was found a Babylonian tablet that predates the writing of Genesis, which does tell us that we were familiar with the Babylonian narrative before we wrote ours.

I would suggest that God is not likely to judge us on having politically-correct beliefs but more likely on our character. The ToE does not eliminate God from consideration, and if anyone is teaching you that it does, then they're either terribly misinformed or are lying.

BTW, "day" in Hebrew is "yom", and even though it means "day" most of them time, sometimes it's used to stand for an indefinite length of time, such as "a thousand years is but a day in the eyes of God".

Dear Metis, God has but 7 days or ages and today is the 6th Day and it will remain the 6th Day until AFTER Jesus returns and changes "every living creature" into a vegetarian.Gen 1:30 ...UNLESS....you can tells us WHEN this event happened in the Past. I don't believe you can but try anyway. God Bless you
 

Ben West

Member
You are neither using any coherent interpretation of scripture, definitely no real usage of science and history doesn't seem to support any of your claims. If the universe is only 13.7 billion years it is impossible for man to have been created 25 billion years ago. And where in the bible did you get 25 billion years ago? Where does it say the 7th day is infinite?

Dear Monk, Adam was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants and trees GREW. Gen 2:4-7 It was the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, which means that the FIRST Human was NOT made on our Planet, since our Planet did NOT exist until some 9 Billion years AFTER the Big Bang. The figure of 25 Billion years is the dating of the FIRST Day of Creation since the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

God has but 7 Days/Ages, each of which is some 4.5 Billion years in length in man's time. The first 6 Days are almost complete and the Seventh Day has NO evening and NO ending because it's Eternity. Gen 2:1-3
 

Monk Of Reason

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Dear Monk, Adam was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants and trees GREW. Gen 2:4-7 It was the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, which means that the FIRST Human was NOT made on our Planet, since our Planet did NOT exist until some 9 Billion years AFTER the Big Bang. The figure of 25 Billion years is the dating of the FIRST Day of Creation since the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

God has but 7 Days/Ages, each of which is some 4.5 Billion years in length in man's time. The first 6 Days are almost complete and the Seventh Day has NO evening and NO ending because it's Eternity. Gen 2:1-3
Depending on which verse you read he was either before or after. So your own source is contradicting itself.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Dear Metis, Jews rejected God when He walked on our earth and called for His Crucifixion. They violated the commandment to love the LORD thy God by killing Him. Thus, the need for a New Testament since the Jews had broken the Old one

Dear Metis, God has but 7 days or ages and today is the 6th Day and it will remain the 6th Day until AFTER Jesus returns and changes "every living creature" into a vegetarian.Gen 1:30 ...UNLESS....you can tells us WHEN this event happened in the Past. I don't believe you can but try anyway. God Bless you
Dear Ben, I'm really not interested in your stereotyping us and using bigoted statements, so I'm just going to move on and discuss various things with people whom are far more knowledgeable about this subject.
 

Ben West

Member
Depending on which verse you read he was either before or after. So your own source is contradicting itself.

Dear Monk, False. The problem is in the interpretation. There is but ONE Creation story and those who see two are exposing the Fact that they CANNOT understand Scripture. The key is in understanding that the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis are an OUTLINE of all of the rest of the Bible, all the way to Revelation.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Dear Monk, False. The problem is in the interpretation. There is but ONE Creation story and those who see two are exposing the Fact that they CANNOT understand Scripture. The key is in understanding that the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis are an OUTLINE of all of the rest of the Bible, all the way to Revelation.

My copy holds 31verses to Chapter One.

You're not using one of those 'rewrites'......are you?
 

shawn001

Well-Known Member
Dear Monk, Adam was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants and trees GREW. Gen 2:4-7 It was the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, which means that the FIRST Human was NOT made on our Planet, since our Planet did NOT exist until some 9 Billion years AFTER the Big Bang. The figure of 25 Billion years is the dating of the FIRST Day of Creation since the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

God has but 7 Days/Ages, each of which is some 4.5 Billion years in length in man's time. The first 6 Days are almost complete and the Seventh Day has NO evening and NO ending because it's Eternity. Gen 2:1-3


Did Adam also have more bacteria cells then human cells?

Humans Carry More Bacterial Cells than Human Ones
You are more bacteria than you are you, according to the latest body census

"there are 10 times more bacterial cells in your body than human cells"

Humans Carry More Bacterial Cells than Human Ones - Scientific American
 

Ben West

Member
My copy holds 31verses to Chapter One.

You're not using one of those 'rewrites'......are you?

Dear Thief, No. Genesis chapter one tells us of the events of the 6 Creative Days/Ages of the Creation including events which will NOT happen until Jesus returns. ie. ALL animals becoming vegetarians Gen 1:30 AND Isaiah 11:7

Gen 2:1-3 tells us of a Future Day, the 7th Day which has NO evening and NO ending. Add the 31 verses of Gen 1 to the first 3 verses of Gen 2 and you have the complete HISTORY of God's Creation of the 3rd Heaven in the first 34 verses of Genesis. God has but SEVEN Days and the 7th Day is Eternity. God Bless you
 

Ben West

Member
Did Adam also have more bacteria cells then human cells?

Humans Carry More Bacterial Cells than Human Ones
You are more bacteria than you are you, according to the latest body census

"there are 10 times more bacterial cells in your body than human cells"

Humans Carry More Bacterial Cells than Human Ones - Scientific American

Dear shawn, Adam was made as Christians will be made in Heaven. We will live in perfect bodies, which do not get sick, nor have disease and will NEVER die. Adam lived for some 10 Billion years BEFORE any other living creature was made but he had NO bacteria on his perfect body. You have confused bodies of Flesh with perfect bodies. God Bless you
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Dear Thief, No. Genesis chapter one tells us of the events of the 6 Creative Days/Ages of the Creation including events which will NOT happen until Jesus returns. ie. ALL animals becoming vegetarians Gen 1:30 AND Isaiah 11:7

Gen 2:1-3 tells us of a Future Day, the 7th Day which has NO evening and NO ending. Add the 31 verses of Gen 1 to the first 3 verses of Gen 2 and you have the complete HISTORY of God's Creation of the 3rd Heaven in the first 34 verses of Genesis. God has but SEVEN Days and the 7th Day is Eternity. God Bless you

and on Day Six....NO names, NO garden, No law....
then Day Seven.
THEN Chapter Two.

NO is the first word we humans learn.
It should used, sparingly.
 

Ben West

Member
and on Day Six....NO names, NO garden, No law....
then Day Seven.
THEN Chapter Two.

NO is the first word we humans learn.
It should used, sparingly.

Dear Thief, Adam and Eve were both alive on the 6th Day and so is EVERY person because Today remains the 6th Day/Age in the Creation of the perfect third Heaven. The present 6th Day/Age will NOT come to a close until our Universe is burned. ll Peter 3:10

THEN comes Chapter two. God Bless you
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
The figure of 25 Billion years is the dating of the FIRST Day of Creation since the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4
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Stop. Prior to the big bang space & time did not exist. Time is more or less the measurement of entropy. No matter, no entropy, no time. You cannot apply a metric to something that by definition does not exist(the "pre-universe").
 

Ben West

Member
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Stop. Prior to the big bang space & time did not exist. Time is more or less the measurement of entropy. No matter, no entropy, no time. You cannot apply a metric to something that by definition does not exist(the "pre-universe").

Dear Nietzsche, Each of God's Days/Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in man's time. The Big Bang of our world was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Adam's world was made the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 The morning of the First Day was 25 plus Billion years ago, which means that Gen 1:1 to Gen 1:13 is the History of the more than 9 Billion years of time BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos. God Bless you

BTW, Entropy began BEFORE the First Day, Gen 1:2 since darkness or death was upon the air dust and water which God created in Gen 1:1.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Dear Nietzsche, Each of God's Days/Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in man's time. The Big Bang of our world was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 Adam's world was made the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 The morning of the First Day was 25 plus Billion years ago, which means that Gen 1:1 to Gen 1:13 is the History of the more than 9 Billion years of time BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos. God Bless you

BTW, Entropy began BEFORE the First Day, Gen 1:2 since darkness or death was upon the air dust and water which God created in Gen 1:1.
But it isn't that old. Nothing is. This isn't that difficult. You can redo the math and have it work out to the actual, proper universe age rather than this absurd & baseless addition of 9 billion more years for no apparent reason.
 

McBell

Unbound
Dear Quater, Are you saying that everyone should run and hide from God's Truth the way you do? God Bless you
I know not about them, but I flat out say you are not presenting truth, gods or otherwise.

I will also flat out state that any deity that supports your tactics is one I want absolutely nothing to do with.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Dear Thief, Adam and Eve were both alive on the 6th Day and so is EVERY person because Today remains the 6th Day/Age in the Creation of the perfect third Heaven. The present 6th Day/Age will NOT come to a close until our Universe is burned. ll Peter 3:10

THEN comes Chapter two. God Bless you

You must be using a 'rewrite'.
Granted, King James 1960 is also a translation.....
but there are no names on Day Six....
and Chapter Two is not a retelling of Chapter One.
 
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