Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes

[Riverwolf]

It's amazing, the harm religion does to the human intellect, isn't it?

Religion is not the cause of the intellectual harm on display.

 

[Alceste]

It's amazing, the harm religion does to the human intellect, isn't it?

It's a chicken and egg question. Does religion cause stupidity, or simply provide a convenient framework from within which one's natural stupidity can be confidently expressed?

 

[Sapiens]

The former.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear ImmortalFlame, Your altered and paraphrased version of the original words written are confusing you.

That's an outright lie. I gave you a direct reference to my source, and if you would have checked my source you would have seen what I'd written, verbatim, at the top of the page. Perhaps you prefer a particular translation that is slightly different, but none of the translations given on that page that I provided concur with your interpretation.

I did not alter or paraphrase ANYTHING, and I demand you retract such a blatantly dishonest accusation.

Dear ImmortalFlame. I didn't say you did. It's the particular version of Scripture which has been altered from the original words. Learn to read.

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Originally Posted by Aman777
Here are the words from the KJV:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Do you have any idea why this verse refers to "Their" kind and "His" kind?

Creatures reproducing, obviously. It says nothing that concurs with your interpretation. Also, I find it incredibly hypocritical that you accused me of altering the text when I quote it verbatim AND gave a source, while you paraphrased the passage as:

Go back and read my words since you have completely misunderstood what I wrote.

"This agrees with Gen 1:21 which shows that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from the WATER on Day 5. Science and Scripture AGREE."

None of the translations of that passage state that EVERY LIVING CREATURE was created and brought FROM the water. It clearly states, quite simply, that on the fifth day God created the creatures of the water. It does NOT say that this is where every living creature came from. That is categorically false and total fabrication.

I bolded and unlined the KJV of Gen 1:21 above which says exactly what I posted. Did you notice? Your false acusation ALSO does NOT agree with Science which has discovered the SAME thing, Life began on our Planet when the First Bacteria appeared in the Water some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, and exactly as God told us 3k years ago.

Your hypocrisy is duly noted, and I will be expecting an apology and a retraction immediately.

Why? Because you misread my words? Perhaps you should start composing your own apology since everyone can see your inability to read and comprehend.

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Originally Posted by Aman777
Not so, since the Smithsonian, like other scientists have Falsely assumed that Humans diverged from Chimps some 6 Billion years ago. Prehistoric man DID diverge from Chimps, but they were NOT Humans since they did NOT descend from Adam, the first Human. IOW, today's scientists have been CONFUSED by the False ToE. We know we live in the last days, because ll Peter 3:3-7 describes this argument in the last days. Evols will NOT believe that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood.

So, you're not going to review or respond to the evidence presented in those links? That's what I asked you to do, and that's why I provided the links. If you're just going to dismiss them without reviewing them, and show utter contempt for the other side of the debate, I see no purpose in continuing to debate with you.

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Originally Posted by Aman777
History and Science AGREE with Scripture, but NOT with the False Theory that Humans evolved from Apes, no matter how many Evols agree. Scientists have confused the sons of God (prehistoric man) with Humans but there is NO evidence of modern Humans on this Earth until AFTER Noah arrived some 10k + - years ago.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. I provided the evidence that you are wrong, and you have yet to give me any reason why I should discredit it. The fact is that science DOES NOT agree with your particular interpretation of scripture, and I presented an article with the relevant facts that demonstrated this. Are you able to respond to the facts or not?

Sure I can. Science CANNOT tell us HOW or WHEN Apes changed from animal to Human intelligence. Can you? Of course not, since intelligence is Invisible. Do you have the I.Q. tests? Also, tell us of another Human city which is older than those listed in Gen 10 and built by Noah's great grandsons. Failure to do so is evidence of your InAbility to support your False Evol views.

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Originally Posted by Aman777
FROM THE SITE:>>Sedentary villagers of the Early Neolithic began cultivating wild grains in the Middle East in about 9500 BCE. Recent discoveries have shown that the island of Cyprus was visited by human groups during that period, but until now the earliest traces of cereal crops and the construction of villages did not predate 8400 BCE. The latest findings from the archaeological excavations of Klimonas indicate that organized communities were built in Cyprus between 9100 and 8600 BCE: the site has yielded the remnants of a half-buried mud brick communal building,

Perhaps you didn't notice the dating of the Map of the Fertile Crescent, which is just SW of where the Ark arrived, in the valleys of the mountains of Ararat, in Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human civlization on this Planet. The dates your site states are in perfect agreement with the spread of Human farming from Babel, as shown in Scripture. Thanks for the confirmation.

Except for the fact that the site in the Mediterranean was 2,000 dated to years earlier than the fertile crescent. Are you suggesting that, 500 years after the Ark landed just SW of the mountains of Ararat (which you have yet to demonstrate, but we'll agree for the sake of argument), that they travelled all the way to the Mediterranean and built settlements and farms there BEFORE travelling back to "the cradle of civilization" 2,000 years later? That makes no sense. It also completely destroys your claim that the farmland in the Fertile Crescent appeared "suddenly". Farms existed at least 2,000 years before the Fertile Crescent did.

Perhaps you didn't read and comprehend the dating on the Map of the Fertile Crescent. Try to notice the dates this time: Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
Perhaps a reading program would help. I'm not responsible for the floating dates of changable scientists, since it depends on which one is spouting his view, at the time. That's the way it is with men but God's Holy Word changes NOT.
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Originally Posted by Aman777
Before you are tempted to take a Victory Lap, you should actually wait on the evidence instead of judging falsely as you start celebrating. It's YOUR evidence which confirms God's Truth in Scripture. Try again? God Bless you.

You failed to respond to the majority of evidence presented. Why don't you actually LOOK at the evidence presented, presumably after you remove the horrendous log from your eye.

All I've seen from you are the changable words of mere, mortal, men. My view agrees in EVERY way with EVERY discovery of Science and History, but it does little good to tell some people of God's Truth since some don't seem to be able to comprehend. God Bless you.

in Love,
Aman

 

[Delta-9]

It can certainly mask mental illness as divine revelation, and if you're following a crazy person that's bound to have an impact.

 

[Riverwolf]

The former.

No, it's not.

If it were, then we would expect to see all people who follow religion to act in this manner. But, in fact, we don't. Therefore, the "cause" is something else, and the religion is far more likely the expression.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

It can certainly mask mental illness as divine revelation, and if you're following a crazy person that's bound to have an impact.

If the same traits were presented during a discussion of any topic other than religion, the men it white coats would be summoned.

 

[Riverwolf]

If the same traits were presented during a discussion of any topic other than religion, the men it white coats would be summoned.

Perhaps that's how it should be.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

No, it's not.

If it were, then we would expect to see all people who follow religion to act in this manner. But, in fact, we don't. Therefore, the "cause" is something else, and the religion is far more likely the expression.

Not quite Riverwolf. The fundamental failure here is the failure to establish a standard of truth. Not all, but many religions explicitly teach that truth is revealed and/or authoritative, that reality often contradicts truth, and even that human logic and reason are 'enemies' of the truth.

 

[Riverwolf]

Not quite Riverwolf. The fundamental failure here is the failure to establish a standard of truth. Not all, but many religions explicitly teach that truth is revealed and/or authoritative, that reality often contradicts truth, and even that human logic and reason are 'enemies' of the truth.

And to judge all religions with a relatively modern phenomenon, which is generally limited to a few specific types of religions(again, which by and large developed relatively recently), is incredibly inaccurate, and offensive to the religious folk who don't follow such things. For me, it's actually quite disturbing.

Frankly, I'm drawing very disturbing parallels with this kind of thinking to the way in which the Catholic Church viewed Paganism.

 

[Mycroft]

It's amazing, the harm religion does to the human intellect, isn't it?

There's nothing wrong with Aman's intellect at all. He is successfully trolling you, thefore it is your intellect that is lacking.

 

[McBell]

Dear Mestemia, Science teaches that Humans evolve from other Humans. The ToE falsely teaches that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. When you pin them down, they show that the common ancestor of every living creature evolved from the FIRST bacteria, which appeared some 3.7 Billion years ago, in the WATER on our Earth. This agrees with Gen 1:21 which shows that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from the WATER on Day 5. Science and Scripture AGREE.

Evols have NO scientific evidence for their "belief" that Humans evolved from Apes since Scientists cannot tell us the difference between Human and animal intelligence TODAY, but Evols claim they can see this event happening hundreds of thousands of years ago. It's pure Hokem, Snake oil, and Fantasy.



Scripture shows that Adam farmed with NO evolution and Cain's descendants built cities, farmed, made musical instruments and had technology like smelting with little or no evolution. Gen 4 Secular Empirical HISTORY, on our Planet, records the beginning of the evidence of these same traits EXACTLY where Noah arrived and dates the event at 10k years ago:

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Human civilization on this Planet, including the cities which Noah's great grandsons built, AGREE with History and show that Humans did NOT evolve from Apes, but instead arrived on this Planet in the Ark. HISTORY and Scripture AGREE.



Then promise that you won't run away before you explain the Map of the FIRST Human farming and City buiding (Civilization) which SUDDENLY appeared on our Earth in the last 1% of time since prehistoric man diverged from Chimps.



The Empirical Evidence is above. Either explain it away or everyone will see that God's Truth is the Truth in EVERY way. This knowledge will help to destroy the Falsehoods which Evols are currently force teaching to our children in the Public Schools. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Please be so kind as to point out what in the above quote is "empirical evidence".

I have to ask because I honestly do not see any "empirical evidence" in the above quote.

You have done nothing more than present your take on the scriptures while claiming your take as being both scientifically and historically accurate without presenting any science or history.

 

[McBell]

Dear Sapiens, I'm sorry that God's Holy Word has totally defeated the Evols here and sent many of them packing since they CANNOT refute God's Truth either Scripturally, Scientifically, nor Historically. Did they leave you behind so you could continue to fight against God's Truth in general terms? Such is the reliability of Evols. Don't blame them since they are being led by the power of that which is opposite of God's Truth. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Pigeon Chess at it best.

 

[Thief]

I think that's one of the hallmarks of something that is true: to understand it is to accept it.

Every one of these "challenges" only reassures me that evolution is true.

(Not that I needed such reassurance - it's very obviously true for me, and has been since I was about 8 years old.)

Missed this one.....let's back up.

Understanding a concept does not include acceptance.

I believe my fellow man has error in a great many things.

(way too many people here at the forum think time exists!)

As for evolution....I good with it.....no problem.

But I don't believe it's all chance and maybe.
Something is holding the course of Man in progression.
We are such creatures that we are NOT the typical animal.

We are bound to die....but we are aware of our spirits.
No guarantees and no proof....but some of us are likely to survive the last breath.

I suspect, a lack of faith destroys that opportunity.

 

[Bunyip]

Missed this one.....let's back up.

Understanding a concept does not include acceptance.

I believe my fellow man has error in a great many things.

(way too many people here at the forum think time exists!)

As for evolution....I good with it.....no problem.

But I don't believe it's all chance and maybe.
Something is holding the course of Man in progression.
We are such creatures that we are NOT the typical animal.

We are bound to die....but we are aware of our spirits.
No guarantees and no proof....but some of us are likely to survive the last breath.

I suspect, a lack of faith destroys that opportunity.

No. It is just blind faith that makes you believe 'surviving your last breath' even makes sense.

 

[Thief]

No. It is just blind faith that makes you believe 'surviving your last breath' even makes sense.

Nay.

There are 7billion copies of a learning device on this planet.
The body can't really do anything but produce a unique spirit on each occasion.

That is why we are here.

Granted.....most of us don't have what it takes to crossover.
I believe most of us will fail in that last hour.

Even if you DO succeed in standing from your carcass.....
your continuance is a point of allowance.

I believe the peace of heaven is guarded.
There is likely to be an angel.....with sword in hand...standing over you.
in your last hour.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Dear ImmortalFlame. I didn't say you did. It's the particular version of Scripture which has been altered from the original words.

My apologies. I mistook your statement for an accusation that I had intentionally manipulated the text.

Learn to read.

... However, this patronizing tone is not remotely warranted. It was an easy mistake to make, and if you go back and look at your own words you will see that. There's no need to be so rude about it. Granted, my words got a bit fiery, but that was because - as far as I was concerned at the time - you had just accused me of dishonesty and misrepresentation, when I had done absolutely nothing of the sort.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

The page I linked to clearly shows that the majority of interpretations of that particular passage actually refers to "all living creatures that move in the sea", not "all living creatures". How can you quantify that you have the correct interpretation when the wording is far from clear? To me, passage in KJV merely reads "whales, and every other creature that moveth, that the water brought forth", which refers not to "all life" but "all life THAT THE WATER BROUGHT FORTH". It's referring specifically to aquatic life, not saying that ALL LIFE comes from the sea. This is the interpretation that most translations seem to agree on.

Go back and read my words since you have completely misunderstood what I wrote.

"This agrees with Gen 1:21 which shows that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from the WATER on Day 5. Science and Scripture AGREE."

I bolded and unlined the KJV of Gen 1:21 above which says exactly what I posted. Did you notice? Your false acusation ALSO does NOT agree with Science which has discovered the SAME thing, Life began on our Planet when the First Bacteria appeared in the Water some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, and exactly as God told us 3k years ago.

What false accusation did I make? What did I say that doesn't agree with science? I quoted you verbatim.

Why? Because you misread my words? Perhaps you should start composing your own apology since everyone can see your inability to read and comprehend.

Speaking of reading comprehension, have you read the Smithsonian website yet?

History and Science AGREE with Scripture, but NOT with the False Theory that Humans evolved from Apes, no matter how many Evols agree. Scientists have confused the sons of God (prehistoric man) with Humans but there is NO evidence of modern Humans on this Earth until AFTER Noah arrived some 10k + - years ago.

Repeating a lie does not make it true.

Once again, I have presented you with evidence. Are you going to review it and respond to it, or are you just going to put your fingers in your ears and keep copying and pasting baseless claims?

Sure I can. Science CANNOT tell us HOW or WHEN Apes changed from animal to Human intelligence.

Actually, they CAN tell us how. Mutation and natural selection.

Evolution of human intelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can you? Of course not, since intelligence is Invisible. Do you have the I.Q. tests? Also, tell us of another Human city which is older than those listed in Gen 10 and built by Noah's great grandsons. Failure to do so is evidence of your InAbility to support your False Evol views.

Since you have yet to demonstrate a single thing, or refute a single piece of evidence presented to you, you are in no position to order me to refute anything. All you've done is make claims, but you've not sufficiently supported a single one. I am still waiting for you to respond to the pages upon pages of evidence I linked you to. Failure to so is evidence of your inability to refute scientific fact.

Perhaps you didn't read and comprehend the dating on the Map of the Fertile Crescent. Try to notice the dates this time: Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
Perhaps a reading program would help. I'm not responsible for the floating dates of changable scientists, since it depends on which one is spouting his view, at the time. That's the way it is with men but God's Holy Word changes NOT.

From that page:

Archaeological sites revealing agriculture and animal domestication as early as 7500BC.

The oldest agricultural settlements in the region date to 9,000BC, which is still not as old as the Mediterranean settlement which predates it by around 500 years. This was not a "sudden" appearance of farms.

All I've seen from you are the changable words of mere, mortal, men.

I'm pretty certain you're not mortal, nor infallible, either.

My view agrees in EVERY way with EVERY discovery of Science and History, but it does little good to tell some people of God's Truth since some don't seem to be able to comprehend. God Bless you.

Still waiting for you to respond to the evidence...

 

[Runewolf1973]

Here is evidence that the Bible is false...

According to the Book of Genesis, vegetation grew on the land (Day 3) before there was even a Sun or a Moon in the sky (Day 4).

Aman777, it appears you haven't addressed this post. If the Bible is the word of God it should be flawless. So why is there such an obvious error? Plants cannot grow on the land without that greater light to rule the day which is the Sun.

 

[McBell]

Nay.

There are 7billion copies of a learning device on this planet.
The body can't really do anything but produce a unique spirit on each occasion.

That is why we are here.

Granted.....most of us don't have what it takes to crossover.
I believe most of us will fail in that last hour.

Even if you DO succeed in standing from your carcass.....
your continuance is a point of allowance.

I believe the peace of heaven is guarded.
There is likely to be an angel.....with sword in hand...standing over you.
in your last hour.

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[Bunyip]

Nay.

There are 7billion copies of a learning device on this planet.
The body can't really do anything but produce a unique spirit on each occasion.

That is why we are here.

Granted.....most of us don't have what it takes to crossover.
I believe most of us will fail in that last hour.

Even if you DO succeed in standing from your carcass.....
your continuance is a point of allowance.

I believe the peace of heaven is guarded.
There is likely to be an angel.....with sword in hand...standing over you.
in your last hour.

Pass over to what? What point continuing without yer carcass?