I Am A Good Person, Therefore, I'm Going To Heaven!

[Aupmanyav]

Rubbish! Who cares if we are put to sleep forever?

No on is put to sleep and no one wakes up or rises again. People die and their corpses disintegrate if interred in a grave, and solids turned into ash (basically bones turn into lime, calcium oxide) if cremated.

Graves, Hindus collecting bones and ashes after funeral, immersion of bones and ashes in a water body considered holy. That is all that is to it.

 

[Thief]

No on is put to sleep and no one wakes up or rises again. People die and their corpses disintegrate if interred in a grave, and solids turned into ash (basically bones turn into lime, calcium oxide) if cremated.

Graves, Hindus collecting bones and ashes after funeral, immersion of bones and ashes in a water body considered holy. That is all that is to it.
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not much point in generating 7billion copies of a learning device
only to have each individual spirit crumble to dust

I believe the spirit we become can survive the last breath

 

[Aupmanyav]

not much point in generating 7billion copies of a learning device, only to have each individual spirit crumble to dust

Points are created by us. That is how it is. If you do not have courage to face the truth, make stories and believe in them..

 

[Thief]

Points are created by us. That is how it is. If you do not have courage to face the truth, make stories and believe in them..

creation is not my story

it's been around for a very long time

 

[Aupmanyav]

Creation, birth and death, heaven and hell, are not my stories too. They are but illusions of the 'samsara'. Brahman is changeless, eternal and uninvolved.

 

[Muffled]

Do we actually agree on something? I agree that being of the Kingdom of God is not the same as being in Heaven.

There is the Kingdom of God within us and then there is the physical Kingdom of God that exists in the New Jerusalem.

 

[Muffled]

I m a good person which is why I'll take birth among heavenly planets where sensory indulgence prevails and advanced scientific n spiritual technologies, on the degree of goodness I've attain by my karma.

I m both good and bad, therefore I'll take birth among earthly planets with human like intelligence, based on the degree of my Karma.

I m an evil person, therefore I'll take birth among the lowest species in the cosmos or the lowest or hellish worlds, based on the degree of my evil karma.

I m a self realized person who has gained enlightenment and understands the cosmos, truth and the self, I'll simply merge with the cosmic consciousness and never take birth in this material world again.

I prefer the last one.

I believe you will prefer what you like but God will determine your fate.

 

[Muffled]

I would ask you why belief in Jesus would be necessary to get into heaven. I understand what the Bible claims, but it never made sense to me. I'm hoping, there are many paths to God. And even lacking belief in God doesn't seem like a reasonable requirement if one still lives a good, charitable, purposeful and loving life.

I mean, why was Jesus' death even necessary anyways. Couldn't God have figured out a way around it?

Again, I know what the Bible claims. Just asking for a line of reasoning as to why it makes sense.

I believe it is because people are confused with the Kingdom of Heaven which does require that. It also helps to know one can go there and how to get there.

I believe you would be one of a few but I wouldn't mind hearing it for fun. Doesn't that contradict your previous statement?

I believe there is only one path to God but people have a habit of wandering around on other paths before finding it.

I believe this challenges my imagination. How can one believe in Heaven and not believe in God? Or are you hoping you get there automatically because you exist. And why would you think that?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I didn't say that there was no ressurection..
It's you who 'cherry pick' and ignore that Jesus, peace be with him, taught us that there was indeed a hell..
..nevermind if it's eternal or for 1000 years .. it's not a desirable destination

Yes, Jesus, Peace be with Him, taught us there is indeed a hell, but what is the Bible's hell ?
True, hell is Not a desirable destination! Eternity is in our hearts and normally we do Not want to die.
The word hell is an English word which does Not appear in the biblical manuscripts as the word we know as hell or hellfire.
Does anyone righteous go to the Bible's hell ? _______
Remember the day Jesus died righteous Jesus went to biblical hell according to Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10
Since Jesus taught an unconscious state for the dead at John 11:12-14 then the dead are in a sleep-like state.
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach the dead know nothing -> Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13
So, while the dead Jesus was in the Bible's hell, then Jesus knew nothing of the passing of time, as we know nothing about the passing of time while asleep.
Since Abel, then biblical hell exists as mankind's grave for the know-nothing dead. We know then that biblical hell has been around for thousands of years since Abel.
Starting with Day One of Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth: biblical hell will end because enemy death will be brought to nothing - 1 Corinthians 15:26
In other words, mankind's grave (biblical hell) comes to final end. Mankind will see the return on Earth of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for mankind's healing - Revelation 22:2
Christendom often teaches a 'non-biblical hell' as Scripture although Not found in Scripture. That does Not make the Scriptures as wrong, but makes the wrong teachings as wrong.
Peace also be with You, as I hope we can further explore that there can be a difference between biblical hell teachings and non-biblical hell teachings.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Jesus said when he returns, "ALL eyes will see him> " that means all people, believers, and non-believers. Jesus is ruled from heaven. There is nothing in the scriptures that says any man would see heaven.

Since the world will ' see ' Jesus No more according to John 14:19, then it is with the 'mind's eye' that people will see Jesus.
What does the verse at Revelation 14:3 B mean ?
Jesus was Not the only one resurrected to heaven, but the first one. Firstfruit - 1 Corinthians 15:20; Hebrews 9:24 - Doesn't first indicate more to follow ?______
Jesus' faithful death opened up the now way to heaven for some resurrected ones - John 14:2-3; Hebrews 6:19-20; Hebrews 10:19-20
Jesus was resurrected by God back to his pre-human spirit body. Don't those of Romans 6:5 also gain a spirit (Not human) body ? ______
Any thoughts about 1 Corinthians 15:42-44; 1 Corinthians 15:45-47; 1 Corinthians 15:48-50 ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

wait, so that there is a hell is something that was not changed in the Bible?
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The Bible's hell does Not change, but especially when the Jews began mixing with non-Jews they adopted their non-biblical view of hell.
Christendom (so-called Christian) teaches that non-biblical hell as Scripture, they are teaching non-biblical hell theories and philosophies as being Scripture from a non-biblical world.
None of which makes the Bible's ' temporary hell ' (grave for the sleeping dead) as wrong, but makes wrong teachings as wrong.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

It would appear God has a very crude sense of humor. The only way to heaven is through Jesus. Some people are fortunate to be born and breed within a Christian culture. The opportunity to choose a religion other that Christianity is slim to none. What about those people who are not as fortunate? Some areas of the world are more religiously diverse then others.

I live within one of those religiously diverse areas. The Empire State Building I can see from my window as I’m writing this. It is about 8 miles east of my home....................................... To avoid eternal torment in hell I would have to choose Christianity.
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I hope you enjoy your location near NYC and I have always enjoyed NYC. Can you post a picture of your window's views of the Empire State Building ? I'd find that awesome.

First, keep in mind before Jesus No one on Earth had a ' Christian culture '.
ALL on Earth, Not just the Israelites, were offered the same earthly hope as Adam was:
Adam could live forever in perfect health on Earth as long as he did Not break God's Law.
Before Jesus that earthly hope was the only hope for All mankind include those faithful ones of Hebrews 11; Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39
God made a promise to father Abraham at Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18 that ALL families, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.
Blessed with the benefit of healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2. Resurrected mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of earth's nations.
Today, as far as people in religiously diverse areas, is why Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8 is being published on an international scale today. ( 800+ languages )
The ' good news' (Not bad news as we read in the news) but the good news of God's kingdom government is being proclaimed globally today as never before in history.
Modern technology has allowed for rapid Bible translation even in earth's remote areas so that people now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native language.
So, how people react to what they hear or read is a basis for Jesus coming judgement call as found at Matthew 25:31-33,37.
Jesus talked about people inheriting (Not heaven) but inheriting the Earth - Matthew 5:5. See also Psalms 37:10-11; Psalms 37:29; Proverbs 2:21-22
So the main, or central, teaching is the majority of mankind can reside forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
Jesus will undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us - Revelation 22:2 - and mankind will see the permanent return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth.
So, it isn't God with a very crude sense of humor, but it's false clergy teaching religious myths as Scripture when Not found in Scripture.
Religious-myth teachings such as a forever hell when the Bible's hell (aka grave) comes to final end according to Revelation 20:13-14
Hell gives up its dead ( meaning the grave delivers up its dead ), then after everyone in the grave ( biblical hell ) is resurrected out of the grave, then emptied-out hell is cast into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell - Revelation 20:13-14. Jesus has the keys to unlock the grave - Revelation 1:18 - and he will - John 5:28
Then, starting with Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth even enemy death will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8; Isaiah 35

 

[muhammad_isa]

...
Christendom often teaches a 'non-biblical hell' as Scripture although Not found in Scripture.

It IS found in Scripture .. the gospels of Matthew and Luke, for example .. it's your interpretion that makes no sense

 

[leibowde84]

I believe this challenges my imagination. How can one believe in Heaven and not believe in God? Or are you hoping you get there automatically because you exist. And why would you think that?

I don't think belief in either Heaven or God is necessary for either to exist. And, I don't believe that belief in heaven is necessary for one to belong there.

 

[roger1440]

I hope you enjoy your location near NYC and I have always enjoyed NYC. Can you post a picture of your window's views of the Empire State Building ? I'd find that awesome.

This picture was taken two blocks from my home. At the moment I can't get a good picture from my window because the leaves from a tree is obstructing my view.

[GALLERY=media, 7573]New York sky line by roger1440 posted Jul 17, 2016 at 8:04 PM[/GALLERY]

 

[Thief]

Creation, birth and death, heaven and hell, are not my stories too. They are but illusions of the 'samsara'. Brahman is changeless, eternal and uninvolved.

when I say it's not my story......I mean I didn't write it
but I believe in God and His position as Creator

not an illusion

 

[Thief]

I don't think belief in either Heaven or God is necessary for either to exist. And, I don't believe that belief in heaven is necessary for one to belong there.

and how then to stand in a place.... that to you ....does not exist?

I believe your thought and feeling needs to be similar to belong there

if you enter.....
it's not for the good deeds you did to earn your place
(that won't work)

if you enter it's because you belong there

 

[Subhankar Zac]

I believe you will prefer what you like but God will determine your fate.

Then what's the point of assumption?

 

[leibowde84]

and how then to stand in a place.... that to you ....does not exist?

Obviously, once one arrives in heaven, they would know it to exist. Previous belief as to its existence wouldn't exist.

If one doesn't believe in hell, does that mean that they will never belong there, no matter how horrible of a person they are?

 

[leibowde84]

I believe your thought and feeling needs to be similar to belong there

if you enter.....
it's not for the good deeds you did to earn your place
(that won't work)

if you enter it's because you belong there

Why do you believe this? Why would God demand that only those who have the exact same belief structure would be able to "belong" in heaven?