I Am A Good Person, Therefore, I'm Going To Heaven!

[katiemygirl]

So He hated his "son",so He let him died for sins he never commited ?

I believe God can forgive our sins without let His "son" being killed .

Sorry ,God let His "son" die for sins ,had no sense to me.

That's because you are Muslim and do not understand the God of the Bible. Your Allah is not the God of the Jews or the God of Christians.

 

[Godobeyer]

That's what Muslims believe. We, christians, believe He was who He claimed to be, the Son of God.

We believe he never claim that he is God or he want to die for sins.

 

[Godobeyer]

That's because you are Muslim and do not understand the God of the Bible. Your Allah is not the God of the Jews or the God of Christians.

Allah is Arabic name which refer to God (creator).

Jesus (pbuh) used Aramiac , he spell similair word to Allah, "Elahi","Elah"
Check out :

more information :
A Jew explains why Allah is the one and only God

 

[Raahim]

That's what Muslims believe. We, christians, believe He was who He claimed to be, the Son of God.

Many Jews before Yeshua ﷺ used term father (abba) to refer to God, so it can easily be miss-used for context that appeals to someone for their purpose (example: Make a new religion). Human sacrifice is really irrelevant because God doesn't need to make a play out of something, He Himself is the one that forgives directly - and from Christian point of view God basically sacrificed Himself to make Himself forgive our sins?

 

[moorea944]

Many Jews before Yeshua ﷺ used term father (abba) to refer to God, so it can easily be miss-used for context that appeals to someone for their purpose (example: Make a new religion). Human sacrifice is really irrelevant because God doesn't need to make a play out of something, He Himself is the one that forgives directly - and from Christian point of view God basically sacrificed Himself to make Himself forgive our sins?

.......and from Christian point of view God basically sacrificed Himself to make Himself forgive our sins?

Some Christians believe that, some dont. I personally dont believe in the trinity. I dont see that in scripture at all. There is only one true God, no other God beside Him. But anyhow.

But I do agree with you that, yes, some words can be taken out of context.

 

[katiemygirl]

Allah is Arabic name which refer to God (creator).

Jesus (pbuh) used Aramiac , he spell similair word to Allah, "Elahi","Elah"
Check out :

more information :
A Jew explains why Allah is the one and only God

Allah is not the God of the Jews or Christians.

If you want to debate the muslim religion, please start your own thread.

 

[katiemygirl]

We believe he never claim that he is God or he want to die for sins.

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God.

 

[Raahim]

Allah is not the God of the Jews or Christians.

If you want to debate the muslim religion, please start your own thread.

What on Earth are you talking about? Muslims, Christians & Jews all believe in the same God & it was the God Abraham ﷺ worshipped, the one & only true God.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

That's because you are Muslim and do not understand the God of the Bible. Your Allah is not the God of the Jews or the God of Christians.

Jews don't believe in hell at all, usually. Nor in Yeshua taking their sins. Heck, few believe in a rebellious archangel. Most Christians understand Judaism about as little as Christians feel Muslims understand them!

 

[Raahim]

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God.

Son of God is not equal to God, so then why to pray to human if he is not God?

 

[katiemygirl]

Jews don't believe in hell at all, usually. Nor in Yeshua taking their sins. Heck, few believe in a rebellious archangel. Most Christians understand Judaism about as little as Christians feel Muslims understand them!

I don't understand modern judaism, but I understand the OT, and it constantly points to Jesus.

 

[katiemygirl]

Son of God is not equal to God, so then why to pray to human if he is not God?

The Son of God is equal to God.

This is my last post to you on this thread. You can discuss the Muslim beliefs on your own thread.

 

[Raahim]

I don't understand modern judaism, but I understand the OT, and it constantly points to Jesus.

The fact you just said that it constantly points to Yeshua ﷺ means you don't understand Judaism (or Tanakh).

 

[Raahim]

The Son of God is equal to God.

This is my last post to you on this thread. You can discuss the Muslim beliefs on your own thread.

Are you aware that you're on ReligiousForums where the point is to discuss religions? If you feel threatened by other religions they you shouldn't be here. I don't mean anything rude.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I don't understand modern judaism, but I understand the OT, and it constantly points to Jesus.

There are certainly a whole lot of scholars much better versed in Hebrew than you or I who disagree. Personally I think Christians only see what they want to see. Like a grieving loved one being cold read by a charlatan who says he hears their ghosts.

 

[Godobeyer]

Allah is not the God of the Jews or Christians.

If you want to debate the muslim religion, please start your own thread.

I doubt that you watched the videos that I post.

Enjoy with your ignorance!

 

[Neo Deist]

I hear this all the time. "I'm good, therefore I'm going to heaven."

Really?

I would ask, why did Jesus bother to die on the cross then?

Two things:

1. No one goes to heaven. The Book of Revelation makes that very clear. You die and go to the grave [sheol, hades] and await the resurrection and judgment. Those that are found to be righteous go on to paradise on new earth.

2. Jesus died on the cross because Pilate ordered his execution, most likely to quell any thought of rebellion against the Roman Empire.

It helps to study history.

 

[Neo Deist]

Fact: Jesus died. Humans designed the concept of Jesus dying for our sins and applied it centuries later. It has traditionally been taught ever since.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I would ask, why did Jesus bother to die on the cross then?

What if Jesus died because the Romans executed him and there's not really an "out" for that, as Jesus himself found out when he requested it?

Do they also think bad people go to heaven?

If God can forgive, why is there even a hell in the first place?

I mean, I want lots of certain people to go to hell. However, I am a damaged human being. I expect God to be more mature than I am.

That's why God sent His Son, Jesus, to die on the cross. Jesus took the punishment for us. He took our place. When He died on the cross, He took our sins with Him, making us PERFECT in the eyes of God.

But then he got a refund by waking back up 3 days later. If you truly believed Jesus took away our sins, we'd have no need to repent, since it's all good with God, right?

Even the tiniest sin will keep us out of heaven, no matter how good we are.

Fortunately, I feel God is more mature and far less petty and childish than that.

Jesus said the only way to heaven is through belief in HIM.

Jesus' message depends on who is writing the story. I feel John to be a blasphemer.

None of us deserves heaven. That is a gift from God that we cannot earn by being good.

So as long as we have the fish bumper sticker, we can be as evil as we want?

Fact: Jesus died for our sins.

Fact: Jesus was crucified by the Romans for treason. He didn't even WANT to die in certain authors' views. And why the cross? Why not get stoned to death? Why not jump off a cliff or get burned at the stake? There's nothing magical about two logs, right? He could have died in any way, even of old age.

Please provide a Scripture which says we DESERVE heaven.

I feel this constant need to lower ourselves (not humble, but lower) is due to extreme emotional abuse at the hands of religious tyrants.

I don't get that "accepting Jesus as my personal savior" thing from the Scriptures. I understand it to be more like believing Jesus is the Son of God, then doing everything He says to do. You know, "Take up your cross and follow Me." That's my understanding, anyway.

Jesus frequently ran away from angry crowds, as did the apostles and even Paul. If I am to learn the lesson that I should take responsibility and accept the negative consequences that sometimes happen when I do good, I won't learn that lesson from reading about them. They ALL try to avoid dying until the option no longer exists.

Believing in the gospel, the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, is crucial to living eternally with the Lord.

Said who? If all humans deserve to stay out of heaven, then even the human authors who wrote the stories could be lying to us, causing us to sin. The "good news" is that we can make the world a better place with compassion and education, making us "closer" to God.

Jesus is our mediator. You don't stand a chance without Him.

How did God give out grace prior to Jesus? It's not like "OT God" NEVER forgives anyone. He NEVER says, "You know, I totally would forgive you, but I haven't gotten around to delegating that task yet and I'm kinda swamped right now, so ..."

That's because you are Muslim and do not understand the God of the Bible. Your Allah is not the God of the Jews or the God of Christians.

They're more on point than you, though. I am from Christianity. There are more denominations and we don't all agree with this issue. As I said, I don't follow John or Paul, so I feel that denominations that make them central to their dogmas are taking the "scenic route" to heaven ...

Allah is not the God of the Jews or Christians.

He is. He is the God of Abraham and Isaac and Ishmael and so on and so forth. Hebrews also knew God as "El", which is a shared root with "Allah". It pays to get theology from books other than Chick Tracts.

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God.

IIRC, he calls himself "Son of Man" far more often. SOoooo...

 

[Neo Deist]

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God.

If God is the creator, then I too, am a son of God and can call Him Father. That does not mean that I am supernatural in any shape or form.