I am Israel

[TashaN]

Look. this game can be played forever. There are many occupied lands throughout the world. Some occupied by Muslim countries as well. Why is it only the Israeli occupied land that is in question? What about Cypress? What about Kurdistan? How about Kasmir? Or does the word "illegal" only matter when it refers to Israel?

Ask the UN about that. Read all the documents regarding this case in order to understand the roots of the conflict and the difference between this case and the other cases you have mentioned. It's not as simple as you think.

 

[Rakhel]

Ask the UN about that. Read all the documents regarding this case in order to understand the roots of the conflict and the difference between this case and the other cases you have mentioned. It's not as simple as you think.

Neither is Israel.

 

[TashaN]

Neither is Israel.

Meaning?

 

[Rakhel]

Taking land that Israel won in a war is not a simple thing. That would be like the UN taking Najran and creating a whole new county just because the inhabitants were unhappy with it's current rulers.

 

[TashaN]

Taking land that Israel won in a war is not a simple thing. That would be like the UN taking Najran and creating a whole new county just because the inhabitants were unhappy with it's current rulers.

It wasn't "taking", it was rather "occupying" according to the UN and international treaties.

 

[Bismillah]

Disgusting. Isreal's actions are against international law and a known violation of the Geneva Conventions. It is indeed an illegal act, if you can't understand that then you are advocating a pro-Zionist philosophy which is racist to the core.

Secondly if you want to compare Palestine decades ago to today you will see a vast improvement in that these regions are now semi-autonomous and the support of the international community. The only reason the U.N is not successful is America's habit of vetoing anything critical of Israel and their unconditional military support.

There is an ability to affect change vis a vis the international forum in Palestine, the same cannot be said for Russian occupied Chechnya.

 

[kai]

Disgusting. Isreal's actions are against international law and a known violation of the Geneva Conventions. It is indeed an illegal act, if you can't understand that then you are advocating a pro-Zionist philosophy which is racist to the core.

Secondly if you want to compare Palestine decades ago to today you will see a vast improvement in that these regions are now semi-autonomous and the support of the international community. The only reason the U.N is not successful is America's habit of vetoing anything critical of Israel and their unconditional military support.

There is an ability to affect change vis a vis the international forum in Palestine, the same cannot be said for Russian occupied Chechnya

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well if your just going to give up???? no vocal outrage on a large scale ? It should be easier for Chechnya , i mean there's no hostile countries surrounding Russia wanting its extinction. It cant say it occupies Chechnya for security reasons.

 

[Bismillah]

well if your just going to give up???? no vocal outrage on a large scale ?

I don't understand what you mean? Are you asking about giving up on Chechnya? The answer is no, I have taken part in community event to raise awareness of the issue. Chechnians themselves aren't giving up either.

There is also a difference in that not only are they not ruled but rather they are not given citizenship and are not recognized as a sovereign country their land is illegally taken from them. They are a stateless people whose claim to home is held in contempt.

It should be easier for Chechnya , i mean there's no hostile countries surrounding Russia wanting its extinction.

What does that have to do with the fact that the international community has zero say on Russian actions?

 

[kai]

I don't understand what you mean? Are you asking about giving up on Chechnya? The answer is no, I have taken part in community event to raise awareness of the issue. Chechnians themselves aren't giving up either. Good

What does that have to do with the fact that the international community has zero say on Russian actions?

Maybe if the Arab League and Muslims took up the cause with as much gusto as they do Palestine the international community may sit up and take notice more. It seems to me for one reason or another Palestine is the favourite son.

 

[Bismillah]

The Arab League only superficially cares about Palestinians.

Also as I added "There is also a difference in that not only are they not ruled but rather they are not given citizenship and are not recognized as a sovereign country their land is illegally taken from them. They are a stateless people whose claim to home is held in contempt"

 

[kai]

The Arab League only superficially cares about Palestinians.

Also as I added "There is also a difference in that not only are they not ruled but rather they are not given citizenship and are not recognized as a sovereign country their land is illegally taken from them. They are a stateless people whose claim to home is held in contempt"

well to be honest that all stems from the fact they never had a state or citizenship in the first place.

 

[Bismillah]

They used to be Ottomans...

They were meant to live in Palestine, though of course Palestine became Israel, but Palestinians became stateless.

 

[kai]

They used to be Ottomans...


They were Ottoman subjects!

They were meant to live in Palestine, though of course Palestine became Israel, but Palestinians became stateless.

Yes indeed they never got to raise a state. Greater powers side-swiped them and indeed they are for the most part now for one reason or another stateless

 

[Bismillah]

They were Ottoman subjects!

They were still Ottomans.

All of it stems from the fact that everyone has a right to self-determination. Yes or no?

 

[Rakhel]

They were offered a state at the same time as the Jews. They refused. Remember, or choose not to, many Jews purchased land from the Ottoman Empire. Much of this land now sits in the West Bank. Who is occupying who's land?

 

[kai]

They were still Ottomans. Thats debatable whether every one in the Ottoman empire was an Ottoman after all it was an imperial monarchy.

All of it stems from the fact that everyone has a right to self-determination. Yes or no?
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Thats also debatable to what extent "everyone" can actually sustain self determination in a practicable sense.

 

[kai]

They were offered a state at the same time as the Jews. They refused. Remember, or choose not to, many Jews purchased land from the Ottoman Empire. Much of this land now sits in the West Bank. Who is occupying who's land?

Did they actually refuse or did the Arabs refuse for them?

 

[Bismillah]

They were offered a state at the same time as the Jews. They refused. Remember, or choose not to, many Jews purchased land from the Ottoman Empire. Much of this land now sits in the West Bank.

We are of course talking about this in modern terms. Or are you telling me Palestinians don't want a two state solution now?

Who is occupying who's land?

That is false, all the land was occupied by Israel and later annexed to provide for settlements, which is the official Israeli policy. Still Palestinian land.

 

[Bismillah]

Thats debatable whether every one in the Ottoman empire was an Ottoman after all it was an imperial monarchy.

I would say they were still Ottoman, as much as any Arab was anyway.

Thats also debatable to what extent everyone can actually sustain self determination in a practicable sense.

They sure can, as long as Israel does not force impossible demands.

 

[kai]

I would say they were still Ottoman, as much as any Arab was anyway. Hence the Arab revolt?

They sure can, as long as Israel does not force impossible demands.

and vice versa of course