use_your_brain
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What the quran say about them to be precise?
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I am sceptical of the Skeptics. Is it wrong?
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leibowde84
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Yes, of course. Just as you are claiming, they feel that their scripture supports their beliefs.
use_your_brain
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They FEEL. ok then.
leibowde84
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Right, just like you FEEL that your claims are valid/accurate (which is undeniably arguable). In short, their credibility in those claims is equal to yours, so, I'll ask again, what makes your claims different?
use_your_brain
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honestly I claim my religion is true because some of reasons"
- holybook. (my holybook affirms that only my religion is the accepted religion by God).
- logic, rational, scientific (I am an academic scholar)
- so many things
- and so on.
- etc
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Their holy books do as well, and many of them are scholars too. So, what's the difference?
use_your_brain
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do their holybooks affirm that theirs are true religions?
leibowde84
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Of course. Practically every holy book makes the claim that the faith it professes is the "one true faith". Does that come as a surprise?
use_your_brain
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I want to see/read their scriptural verses that say: theirs are true.
leibowde84
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Here are a couple of examples:
http://biblehub.com/acts/4-12.htm
"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." (John 14: 6, NLT)
use_your_brain
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which passage in those verses mention a certain religion? since muslims also believe in Jesus, and let alone the religion of jesus is controverted.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Christianity is the religion. Just as with Islam, there are many different sects of Christianity.
leibowde84
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Further it says only through belief in Jesus' resurrection/sacrifice to save us from sin. So, Islam would be excluded, unless I am wrong in that Islam does not allow for Jesus to be the "son of Man/God" who died on the cross and resurrected three days later.
use_your_brain
Active Member
and that presented verses no where mention Christianity at all.
use_your_brain
Active Member
what does the verse mean "through belief in jesus" to begin with? don't muslims believe in Jesus also?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
OK, you aren't going to use reason on your own, so I'll lay it out for you. The below passages define the followers of Jesus as "Christians". The followers of Jesus (his Disciples) were the first Christians, and their claim to fame was their belief in the resurrection. And, as I showed you before, the Bible claims that only through belief in Jesus' resurrection and saving grace can one be "saved". Thus, it becomes clear that the only pathway to salvation is through Christianity. This is made very clear by the passages below and by those I previously provided.
(Name of Christ's Church) Acts 11:26 - And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Aslo, see Paul Acts 26, where Paul explains that Christianity is his faith and the only pathway to salvation.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
No, it means specific belief in Jesus' death and resurrection and the belief that his sacrifice was required to save all of humanity. Not just belief in his existence or preaching, but belief in his divinity (not just a prophet, but God).
use_your_brain
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Of course the people who follow The Christ are called The Christ-ian,
In this case anyone who follows the teaching of Christ is worthy as Christ-ian, right?
what about the Muslims who follow the Christ teaching? You have to know, as a note, Catholic, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons etc are not considered Christians by Protestant.
you have to know also, the earlier Christians prayed like the muslims pray, they bowed, prostated, ablution, and so on in their prayer places (church).
use_your_brain
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you have to know Saint Peter the disciple of Jesus witnessed that jesus was not crucified. The same with Barnabas (his disciple also), he neither believed Jesus was crucified.
BTW Jesus nowhere and had never proclaimed his divinity either.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Again, not merely believing in Christ's teachings, but belief in his death, resurrection, and divinity (son of God). Correct me if I'm wrong, but Islam does not adhere to this belief, so Muslims would not be included, and Islam would not be enough.
The praying styles of the early Christians is not relevant to this at all, as it has no bearing on whether Muslims believe in the resurrection and divinity of Jesus. Even Muhammad is thought of as a prophet, not divine, right? Isn't that why he forbid his image from being displayed? He didn't want to be worshiped like a God. But, you obviously know more about that aspect of Islam than me.