"I am the way"

[We Never Know]

All that I need as my evidence is all within the Bible, if you can't handle that, That's your problem and not mine

Throughout history there are many books, stories, statue's, etc about Zeus. Is that enough evidence for you to also believe in Zeus?

 

[We Never Know]

That's believed on evidence.
Faith is not something that can be tested.

That's like a person having a dream, that the dream can be tested to see if that person dream actually happened
You can't be serious

So the stories like the devil offering someone goodies to test their faith is false? I thought so too.
If someone asks you to sin(wild women and drinking) and you turn them down because of your faith, could that not be them testing your faith?

 

[We Never Know]

That's believed on evidence.
Faith is not something that can be tested.

That's like a person having a dream, that the dream can be tested to see if that person dream actually happened
You can't be serious

Dreams don't have living standards. God does and your faith in God has you follow those standards which can be seen and tested.

 

[Spirit of Light]

To see different religious people try to defend their rightfull way of beliving in a God and to see Atheists trying their best to find faults or error within a religion is a strange feeling.
For a person who found a religious path and a religious teaching they deeply belive in there is no need for physical evidene for the God or Buddha to be here right now. To have faith or no doubt about the teaching, the practice of understand the teaching and thereby gaining wisdom of the spiritual has become natural.
To me it seem like Atheists/non belivers does not want religions to be true, or that the guidelines/rules within a religion is seen as wrong. or that God must be evil because we as humans suffer, this things is difficult for religious people to understand.

So here we stand on each side of a line, trying to convince that others are wrong? Is is not best to look within our self and see, What do I need to change within me to become the way i want? for a religious person the way most people want to be is like the teacher/God/ prophet has given teachings about, Morally good and good people.

All we want is to become better then we are right now

Think of we could talk with anyone without look after errors in other peoples life, because we knew that we are not perfect ourself too. As a Buddhist i am far from perfect, i have many things i am not happy with. So before i can make critique of others belief, i should better my sef first, And i know how it feels to give critique(it hurts to see when i hurt others) and receive it.

 

[Jainarayan]

To see different religious people try to defend their rightfull way of beliving in a God and to see Atheists trying their best to find faults or error within a religion is a strange feeling.

When someone says implicitly or explicitly that their faith is the only true faith I have to wonder whom they are trying to convince. I'm perfectly comfortable with saying Christianity is true for a Christian; Islam for a Muslim; Buddhism for a Buddhist. But why Christians need to prove to everyone their faith is the one true faith is beyond me.

For a person who found a religious path and a religious teaching they deeply belive in there is no need for physical evidene for the God or Buddha to be here right now.

This^

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29

 

[Spirit of Light]

When someone says implicitly or explicitly that their faith is the only true faith I have to wonder whom they are trying to convince. I'm perfectly comfortable with saying Christianity is true for a Christian; Islam for a Muslim; Buddhism for a Buddhist. But why Christians need to prove to everyone their faith is the one true faith is beyond me.



This^

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29

I agree with you But i think it is not only some Christians who wish to make everyone like them, it happens in many religions. And as a Buddhist i respect also those who wish to Convert me back to Christianity, or those Muslims who wish to convert me to them. But then i try to be respectful and say i already found the teaching that fulfilled me

 

[danieldemol]

I believe he Said I am the Truth. Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.

I believe that is a false belief and I hope you find that out before it is too late.

I believe God is just and has told you the truth. Your unbelief justifies your end.

I believe I go by the Word of God which is not imagination.

Except that I’m not an unbeliever.

 

[shunyadragon]

Maybe the concept of God is a human construct, too.

Ciao

- viole

I fully admit that is a possibility.

 

[shunyadragon]

There is no inconsistencies, as you only take things out of their context.

Which flood are you referring to.
As there were two floods, so which are you talking about

There is no evidence for either flood in the time frame nor description in the Bible.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Or, the better and more peaceable approach is to recognize the conflicts as different perspectives at different times by different people with different ideas of themselves, society, and God. To try to create some sort of "master story" to try to tie it all as one "harmonious way", is what does violence to history and the richness of human diversity, forcing a single, master narrative via a religious consensus or a single "prophet", for the purpose of mass-control.

I think looking at them more realistically honors the disparate and diverse parts, rather than violently smashing them into a created mythology to support a particular religious perspective which later adopts them for themselves, and protects the "proper" understanding of them via "councils' or committees, a "house of justice" for instance. The "master story" motif, or the "harmonious whole", is a myopic view that does not honor other perspectives. It says "we see the truth", and you have only a partial truth, lacking what our prophet has revealed. It is therefore, not truly universal.

My humble understanding is that what will really deeply unite all humanity and all religions I believe, is when they discover that their Promised One has come and find it is all the same Person. Baha’is believe that Promised One is Baha’u’llah.

Baha’u’llah confirms all religions gone before as one eternal evolving religion. That they divided is due to the religious leaders of each faith refusing to accept the new Teacher. Otherwise all would have moved together as one Faith and there would never have been the disunity and segmentation we see today.

‘This is the eternal Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future’.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So the stories like the devil offering someone goodies to test their faith is false? I thought so too.
If someone asks you to sin(wild women and drinking) and you turn them down because of your faith, could that not be them testing your faith?

There's nothing wrong with drinking, whatever gave you that idea.

It's not a sin to know wild women, as you call them.
As I haved met a lot of women in my life.
But I wouldn't consider them as being wild women as you do
But each to their own

 

[Faithofchristian]

There is no evidence for either flood in the time frame nor description in the Bible.

Well that shows how little you know about what bible will say and Confirm's

 

[InChrist]

I take it then, that you believe because I know what the Bible says and once followed it but no longer do, your God is going to judge me more harshly than a Tibetan who never heard of your God or the Bible? Yet he and I might live by the same principles? Do I understand correctly?

Probably, but I don't know you, your life, your motives, your experiences, your hardships, your sincerity, your understanding, or how you actually are living your life or how the Tibetan is either. I believe God does, though, and He will judge perfectly, justly, and without partiality.

 

[shunyadragon]

Well that shows how little you know about what bible will say and Confirm's

I have been a practicing geologist and been around the world for over 50 years. There is absolutely no evidence for your claim.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I have been a practicing geologist and been around the world for over 50 years. There is absolutely no evidence for your claim.

Alot of people are taught about the flood of Noah's, that was to supposedly to covered the whole earth.
But that is not true, nor does the bible support the flood of Noah's as covering the whole earth.
If the flood of Noah's did cover the whole earth, Then the question is, Where did the Gentiles come from.
Seeing how after the flood of Noah's, His sons and their sons and wives into the land of the Gentiles.
So where did the Gentthe come from

As I have ask many Christians this question, and they just look with a blank look on their face.

 

[InChrist]

So, the Maya who worshipped the God who required babies sacrifices will be saved?

I ask because we have to presume that the knowledge they had of your brand of God must have been nil.

Ciao

- viole

I don't think the Maya who sacrificed babies were worshipping the true God who created heaven and earth, more likely satan or a demon god. I believe the real Creator God has written His laws on the conscience of each person and so for them to kill babies is a violation.

 

[Segev Moran]

according to Mat 7:14there is only one path to salvation.

Jesus claimed that he was that path.(John 14:6)
Jesus is the way in that only through him can we enter into an approved relationship with God.

Why ? Because sin creates a barrier between humans and God, for God is holy and therefore can never approve of sin. (Isaiah 6:3; 59:2) The sacrifice of Jesus removed that barrier; it provided the necessary covering, (atonement), for sin. (Hebrews 10:12; 1 John 1:7)

Additionally Jesus is the way when it comes to prayer.
Only through Jesus can we go to God in prayer with the assurance that our heartfelt petitions will be favorably heard (1 John 5:13, 14).
Since there are many God's it should be understood that Jesus was specifically talking about his father JHVH (in english Jehovah), not just any God.

Jesus claimed that he was the truth.
when he said I am the truth, he was not simply referring to the fact that he made truth known in his speaking, preaching, and teaching. but showed it by fulfilling prophecies and his actions.

Jesus also claimed that he was the life.
It is only through him that we can receive life that is -the real life- (1 Timothy 6:19) The Bible says: He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. (John 3:36) .

For the majority these requirements seem either too simple or too demanding, Preferring to go through complicated rituals, philosophical calisthenics or to believe in astronomical improbabilities.

what do you think ?

I think that anyone who asks people to worship him/her should not be allowed to talk with anyone.
The Jewish religion BTW, sees claims like that (and it is also written in the bible) to be the greatest sin possible.
The greatest human based on the Jewish religion was Moses and he was a prophet. It is said clearly that God will never be revealed to us rather will only be known through prophets.
This is part of the reason it is hard for Jewish people to understand the idea of Jesus, as it is against one of the core concepts of the Jewish religion (this is also why it is weird as it actually contradicts Jesus words himself)

 

[Jainarayan]

I believe God does, though, and He will judge perfectly, justly, and without partiality.

See, that’s one of the points we’ll never agree on... you worship a God that is a judge and who is feared by his worshipers. You can’t really know that you’ve lived up to his standards and actually kept his commandments.

I don’t worry about commandments or offending God, because he can’t be offended. You can curse him, be jealous of him, repeatedly try to kill your child, and he won’t reject you. He’ll welcome you. This is a real story in our scriptures. And this is because he only asks that we remember him. Nothing more than that. Our actions determine our fate, through karma not being judged by God. He has more important things to do, like guiding, protecting and loving us, than set laws to judge us by.

 

[shunyadragon]

Alot of people are taught about the flood of Noah's, that was to supposedly to covered the whole earth.
But that is not true, nor does the bible support the flood of Noah's as covering the whole earth.
If the flood of Noah's did cover the whole earth, Then the question is, Where did the Gentiles come from.
Seeing how after the flood of Noah's, His sons and their sons and wives into the land of the Gentiles.
So where did the Gentthe come from

As I have ask many Christians this question, and they just look with a blank look on their face.

Still remains the problem of the Biblical description and timing, and the objective geologic evidence and timing of known floods. The only possible evidence for a catastrophic flood event is the Sumerian records and description describes a catastrophic flood on the Tigris Ephraties River. Noothing here about an Arc, Noah or the Biblical account. You describe two floods, which is equally problematic as far as the actual evidence for flood events.

 

[InChrist]

See, that’s one of the points we’ll never agree on... you worship a God that is a judge and who is feared by his worshipers. You can’t really know that you’ve lived up to his standards and actually kept his commandments.

I don’t worry about commandments or offending God, because he can’t be offended. You can curse him, be jealous of him, repeatedly try to kill your child, and he won’t reject you. He’ll welcome you. This is a real story in our scriptures. And this is because he only asks that we remember him. Nothing more than that. Our actions determine our fate, through karma not being judged by God. He has more important things to do, like guiding, protecting and loving us, than set laws to judge us by.

That's too bad. I think the God you describe sounds awful, unjust, and definitely not loving...to let evil go on and not care, never deal with it or bring justice. That is not protecting or love from my perspective.

I do know that I can't live up to the perfect standards of God, but I have a Savior who did and loving forgives, washes away my sins and is changing me into His image to be transformed and set for eternity.