ROTFL. Atheists don't believe gods exist. Strong atheists don't believe gods exist AND actively believe gods don't exist. It's just a matter of being able to understand that when we say just atheist, one word, we mean a person who doesn't believe in gods, and when we say strong atheist, two words, we mean a person who doesn't believe in gods and also actively believes gods don't exist.
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*[I believe] Atheism is an absurd worldview
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Not believing in gods is absurd? How many gods do you not believe in?
From the blog:
"Take the proposition, “God exists”. One could affirm the proposition, which is theism. Deny the proposition, which is atheism, or withhold judgment with regard to the proposition, which is agnosticism."
The correct formulation is "Take the proposition, "God exists". One could affirm the proposition, which is theism. Deny the proposition, which is strong atheism, or withhold judgment with regard to the proposition, which is (weak) atheism.
Mixing in agnosticism which is about knowledge when we are talking about beliefs is like bringing up oranges when we speak about apples.
"Definition of atheism in English :-
noun: Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."
This definition doesn't make sense. If you lack a belief in gods you also lack a belief in God. If you only lacked a belief in God and didn't lack a belief in "gods" you wouldn't be an atheist.
Otherwise it's fine.
Since you perceive all individuals and their books to be discrete objects, I do not think that you can judge objectively how another person conceived something. I grant that you can have many opinions.
Ha Ha.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I think that practically speaking it makes most sense to look at theism/atheism as a continuum, rather like Dawkins did in the "God delusion". "Don't know" is the neutral position in the middle of the line.
It's about par for RF.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Lots of people think their religion is the true religion. They can't all be right though.
McBell
Unbound
well, you should be nominated for the academy awards....
Curious George
Veteran Member
No, it really isn't.
If you want to use the continuum, then use the continuum. But when we don't, this is how it works.
Theist believes god(s) exist
Strong atheist believes god(s) don't exist
Weak atheist doesn't believe any of them
Gnostic theist knows god(s) exist
Gnostic atheist knows god(s) don't exist
Agnostic doesn't know
So when you ask a person what he believes about a subject it's the same as asking the person what he knows about the subject?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I don't find either of those categories credible.
So? Those are the categories whether you find them credible or not.
Curious George
Veteran Member
Agnostics believe that the truth or falsity of the proposition is unknown or unknowable. To withhold judgement on the proposition such that one does not believe or does not disbelieve entails a belief that the truth or falsity of the proposition is unknown or unknowable. Knowledge is most commonly accepted to be justified true belief. That is to say, that knowledge is completely relevant in a discussion about belief. In fact, everything you have to say about yourself on this subject regards knowledge. You have time and time again said that you [don't know gods don't exist, the universe could be crawling with them] to explain your "lack of belief." belief absolutely deals with knowledge. In fact, to withhold judgement is to say "I don't know." and early on you stated that to withhold judgement is weak atheism.
So, yes. It is relevant.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I don't think they are meaningful, which is why I prefer the continuum approach.
OutOfTheDarkness
Member
It is not a perception. I can prove it.
Any society that has grown up without the book of Mormon... or any individual that has never read the Book of Mormon... doesn't know what the book of Mormon says.
If all the religious holy books somehow "reveal themswlves" in people's heads, then everyone would be all faiths.
There is a reason there are pockets of similar believers in the world... because they are exposed to the local religious book, and CHOOSE to follow the local deity.
outhouse
Atheistically
There is no such thing as creation outside mythology., and no evidence of it what so ever.
outhouse
Atheistically
Everybody says that and no one has EVER proven it.
outhouse
Atheistically
Not credible.