*[I believe] Atheism is an absurd worldview

[leibowde84]

I'm spot on. Atheism views the world as ultimately purposeless and therefore meaningless.

Nope, you're wrong.

 

[outhouse]

in a teleological world.

Factually unsubstantiated.

 

[leibowde84]

We need to invoke God to rationally justify a belief in a teleological world.

Why?

 

[outhouse]

We need to invoke God

Exactly which man made god you invoking there gambit?

 

[outhouse]

I'm spot on

You are, where that spot is however is a mystery

 

[outhouse]

Atheism views the world as ultimately purposeless and therefore meaningless.

Faith based biased rhetoric, with no credibility what so ever

 

[savagewind]

I'm spot on. Atheism views the world as ultimately purposeless and therefore meaningless.

What purpose does the world have for a person who has faith in God?

 

[Gambit]

What twaddle talk is this? Atheists find meaning in life all the time. I know I do. Look at Stephen Hawking, for example, he should have died decades ago but he lives on. Why? Because his life has meaning. Purpose. He is driven, and so therefore he goes on.

On the atheistic view, all purpose-driven behavior must be deemed purely illusory.

 

[outhouse]

On the atheistic view, all purpose-driven behavior must be deemed purely illusory.

Isnt that what faith based belief is ? illusory


How is following academic reality illusory ?

 

[outhouse]

. But the question is whether or not you can rationally justify your belief.

When will you start?

You cannot rationally justify a belief in an ultimate purpose (a.k.a. final cause or telos) without invoking God.

Factually false.

 

[Gambit]

I can only wonder how many atheists have utterly destroyed this argument.
This is something that has been getting refuted for years now, yet there are still people saying it.

Hitherto, no atheist has been able to refute my argument.

 

[Gambit]

Let's back up a bit: what makes you say that atheism is a worldview at all?

Atheism views the world as Godless. As such, it qualifies as a worldview.

 

[Gambit]

It seems like there's a necessary step in your reasoning that you're jumping over... something like "if a thing isn't universally important, it can't be important to me." I hope you'll recognize that this is unsupported nonsense (or "absurd", to use your new favourite word).

You cannot rationally justify your belief that you create your own purpose because this implies a purpose in of itself (which you did not create).

 

[Gambit]

Could you elaborate, please?

The "world" includes all things and therefore contains meaning in many forms. This seems to be so obvious that it's trivial.

Without purpose there is no meaning. And without meaning, there's only absurdity. Such is the spiritually-impoverished worldview that is atheism.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

What does this implies? It implies that human artifacts (e.g. pocket watches) are as much the result of blind mechanisms at play as are natural artifacts (e.g. eyeballs). On the atheistic worldview, there is no intelligent activity in the world whatsoever (human, divine, or otherwise). All appearances of intelligent activity in the world must be attributed to blind mechanisms at play and therefore deemed as purely illusory.

Hard to believe I found you just earlier, in another thread, contemplating why your like-to-postcount ratio was so much lower than someone else's. With statements and opinions like these I would figure the reasons all too obvious.

So, just to clarify, by inference you're saying that your own intelligence is only definable as "intelligence" because of God? Pretend that God didn't exist and you were alone in some imaginary space with a stone. Because God has left this picture, is there no distinction made between yourself having the attribute "intelligence" and the rock not possessing that attribute? When God is popped back into said picture, do you regain the attribute "intelligence"?

 

[Gambit]

Do you have evidence of this?
I personally know atheists that think the opposite of this.
I also know an atheist who believes in magic and thinks of it as the central force of the soul and rebirth.

The atheist cannot rationally justify any of these beliefs based on his or her Godless worldview.

 

[Deathbydefault]

The atheist cannot rationally justify any of these beliefs based on his or her Godless worldview.

A theist cannot rationally justify their beliefs in a world view with god, either.
You can only have faith, knowledge eludes you.
It will continue to elude you because knowledge of an actual God does not exist.
Namely because an actual god does not exist.

We're on an equal playing field in this respect.
So whatever add on beliefs are neither of our businesses.
They're personally independent and cannot be proven true or false (most of the time).

 

[Deathbydefault]

Hitherto, no atheist has been able to refute my argument.

Wrong.
The argument has been refuted several thousand times, the religious just refuse to accept this.

 

[Gambit]

I think this thread was created for a purposeful heated debate???

This is a debate forum. Is it not?

We have meaning in our life? Why would disbelief in god equal no meaning for any person who doesn't believe in deitie/s?

Because the atheist must deem all purposeful behavior (including his or her own) as purely illusory. You may think you find meaning in your life or that you have created a meaning in your life, but without a real purpose, your life is actually meaningless and absurd. On the atheist worldview, you're just a pack of blind mechanisms aimlessly playing themselves out.

 

[vaguelyhumanoid]

We need to invoke God to rationally justify a belief in a teleological world.

OK, this is gonna spin your head around some.

What if I told you that I'm a theist who rejects teleological arguments?