Wildswanderer
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I'm not seeing the difference.
Again, why would you believe God does not speak to us? Because some spiritual guru said so?
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Again, why would you believe God does not speak to us? Because some spiritual guru said so?
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The basis of evolution is traits that are most beneficial for survival are passed on to the next generation by natural selection.
So man has found bones claimed to be human but where are the bones that show the evolution of "man" back to before homo sapiens and his "known" ancestors had eyes and ears etc.
Where is the human ancestor skull that lacks eye sockets because they have not been "evolved" yet. There should be a larger amount of bones from the earliest stages of change as man developed eyes according to evolution because more changes were necessary to take place in development of the bone structure than in the later generations after traits had become the "norm" for a specie.
Full "evolution" of man from sea sludge is unevidenced and is a subjective claim.
Also note in the 6,495. species of currently recognized mammals not counting those that have gone extinct over time, how many evolved sight with two eyes not 1 or three or multiples like a spider? It seems one extra eye on the back of the head would be advantageous to spot predators and aide in survival.
The 6,495 species are designed with similar compositions, 4 limbs, one brain, one heart etc. with the sensory development of sight, sound, taste, etc with stationary eyes in sockets.
The chance that would happen at the same time in over 6 thousand species without a pre-planned DNA design is prodigious. And could be described as astonishing enough to be unnatural.
Why isn't there a furry squid that can climb trees and squirt volumes of ink on any predator climbing after it? Or a mammal that can camouflage to it's surroundings like a cuttlefish?
The fact sight, sound, taste and a nervous system evolved in one specie is astonishing enough. There should be massive amounts fossils showing all those separate evolution spans where physical form radically changed that reached the level of development seen today.
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Trailblazer
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What concepts?
The only thing this is evidence of is a lack of knowledge of the theory of evolution.
Trailblazer
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You are in the ball park.
God knows everything we will do and some of what we will do is a choice that is determined by free will, but everything we will do is not a choice. What is not a choice was determined by God, it is what we were predestined to do.
I explained that in the OP and I just explained it in detail to @HonestJoe on another thread:
#2569 Trailblazer, 17 minutes ago
You are in the ball park.
God knows everything we will do and some of what we will do is a choice that is determined by free will, but everything we will do is not a choice. What is not a choice was determined by God, it is what we were predestined to do.
I explained that in the OP and I just explained it in detail to @HonestJoe on another thread:
#2569 Trailblazer, 17 minutes ago
I understand what you mean but it's so far fetched only a human could come up with it.
Trailblazer
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I believe that God never speaks to us directly, not because of a spiritual guru, because of what Baha'u'llah wrote.
“Immeasurably exalted is He above the strivings of human mind to grasp His Essence, or of human tongue to describe His mystery. No tie of direct intercourse can ever bind Him to the things He hath created, nor can the most abstruse and most remote allusions of His creatures do justice to His being. Through His world-pervading Will He hath brought into being all created things. He is and hath ever been veiled in the ancient eternity of His own exalted and indivisible Essence, and will everlastingly continue to remain concealed in His inaccessible majesty and glory. All that is in heaven and all that is in the earth have come to exist at His bidding, and by His Will all have stepped out of utter nothingness into the realm of being. How can, therefore, the creature which the Word of God hath fashioned comprehend the nature of Him Who is the Ancient of Days?”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 318
Because there can never be any direct communication from God to humans, God has sent Messengers such as Jesus to act as 'mediators' between God and man. These Messengers can act as mediators because they have a twofold nature, a human nature and a divine nature, so they can understand God and relay what God has revealed back to humans.
“And since there can be no tie of direct intercourse to bind the one true God with His creation, and no resemblance whatever can exist between the transient and the Eternal, the contingent and the Absolute, He hath ordained that in every age and dispensation a pure and stainless Soul be made manifest in the kingdoms of earth and heaven. Unto this subtle, this mysterious and ethereal Being He hath assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. He hath, moreover, conferred upon Him a double station. The first station, which is related to His innermost reality, representeth Him as One Whose voice is the voice of God Himself.....The second station is the human station, exemplified by the following verses: “I am but a man like you.””
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 66-67
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Trailblazer
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What is far fetched about it? It makes perfect sense to me.
I'm sure it does and if that's right for you then more power to you. To me it's a man made attempt to explain things we don't understand.
Wildswanderer
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Well then you can't believe the Bible if you believe that particular guru.
The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Exodus 33:11
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THEORY, you did say theory. A theory is a rational type of abstract thinking about a phenomenon, or the results of such thinking but a theory is not proven FACT.
Theories are sometimes "good" guesses and sometimes they are not good guesses.
Trailblazer
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Baha'u'llah was not a guru, He was a Messenger of God.
I believe that God spoke to Moses through the Holy Spirit, not face to face.
God does not have a face because God is not a human.
No man has ever seen God.
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
1 John 4:12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.
John 5:37 And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.
1 Timothy 6:16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen
Wildswanderer
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Whether it was literally face to face or not doesn't matter. It's obvious that God does communicate directly with us.
And this is evidence of a lack of understanding of a scientific theory. Good luck with gravity.
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Paul lies again, God grants immortality and granted it to Jesus. The 12 Apostles are given eternal life. John the Baptist is given eternal life.
God is immortal from the beginning but it is possible to be gifted with Immortality by God so it is a lie to say God ALONE has immortality.
Paul is so intelligent it is astonishing how he manipulates people.
In Timothy 6/13 Paul says, " I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;"
Read carefully, Paul is saying JESUS witnessed a good confession. Paul is saying what the Jews told Pilate was virtuous and good when they spoke and Jesus heard it, witnessed it.
The Jews were lying about Jesus in a court of law in an attempt to have Jesus killed and Paul sides with the Jews that called Jesus a blasphemer that should die for blasphemy.
Paul refuses to allow people their God given right to freedom of speech and Paul as proven in verse 1 of this chapter does believe people should be killed for blasphemy. Paul's doctrine is not the doctrine Jesus taught even though Paul lies saying Jesus agrees with him. Paul refused to learn what I desire mercy and not sacrifice means.
Jesus never taught anyone should be killed for blasphemy. God alone judges that person at the natural death of that person and no one has the right to cut that life short because other people feel God has been offended. Man does not have the power to offend God because our lives are not eternal and man can do nothing to hurt God because God just views the person being offensive as ignorant and will, unless changing their path, die in their sins.
Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
This is saying blasphemy is a forgivable offence not a sin worthy of death. But if the soul of a person is evil without remorse or understanding of truth, then when they die, they will not receive eternal life with resurrection.
Even though the Jews lied and called Jesus a liar, Jesus never responded accusing them of blasphemy as God will judge those ignorant of truth Jews when they die their natural death.
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Sheldon
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This was your unevidenced assertions:
This was my response:
I have no idea what this response has to do with your unevidenced assertions above, all you have done is offer more unevidenced assertions?
You claimed that:
1. Our DNA was designed before we started splitting cells to become a Homo Sapiens.
2 It was programed to exist
3. and the programer is called God.
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for those 3 separate claims?
NB Denying or attacking scientific facts like species evolution, doesn't remotely demonstrate any objective evidence for those claims. It is not a choice between your unevidenced claims, and species evolution.
Here you go.
This was my response:
I have no idea what this response has to do with your unevidenced assertions above, all you have done is offer more unevidenced assertions?
You claimed that:
1. Our DNA was designed before we started splitting cells to become a Homo Sapiens.
2 It was programed to exist
3. and the programer is called God.
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for those 3 separate claims?
NB Denying or attacking scientific facts like species evolution, doesn't remotely demonstrate any objective evidence for those claims. It is not a choice between your unevidenced claims, and species evolution.
Here you go.
Trailblazer
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It is all in how you interpret the verse. I do not think the verse is saying that only God has immortality. That would make no sense.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
God grants immortality and granted it to Jesus, and everyone who believes in Jesus.
Of course everyone who believes in Jesus has eternal life.
John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
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The basis of knowing God exists is proven as the warnings the prophets have given us over 2,000 years ago are coming true. We are in the 7 year tribulation.
And many identifying descriptions are explained.
A Seraphim is a 6 wing shaped fighter jet like a F-35 that flies with twain, Distributed Apperature system placed in the exact 3 locations on the jet as described in scripture in 2's=twain. The pilot is a messenger which is the translation of the word angel, with the message follow our laws or die. It is a burner and a reaper.
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It takes the act of water baptism to prove people believe in Jesus and what he taught to receive eternal life.
Believe the Commandment from Jesus to be water baptized for remission of sin. The water baptized are made whole, forgiven with repentance with no further action needed unless one sins again but then prayer to God for forgiveness is required. Jesus is calling the people that believe in human sacrifice to a God to repent because they are sinners that need to learn God does not accept blood sacrifice for sin removal. They need to learn to be merciful and not sacrifice. Blood sacrifice makes the temple money so they refuse to change their beliefs and threaten people with murder if people do accept water baptism following Jesus.
God gave us Jesus so he would teach truth believing in what Jesus taught will give people eternal life.
God did not say people have to believe Jesus should die for teaching truth to receive eternal life.
Jesus never said my death will remove sin because it doesn't.
Blood sacrifice for removal of sin opposes the gospel of Jesus that commands ALL nations to believe in water baptism for sin removal.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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