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I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Policy said:
I would want to choose a different shirt from the one that God truthfully said that I would choose. Just to see if I could.
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GOD did not say anything about what color shirt you would wear.
YOU said that God said what color shirt you would wear.
God would never say that you were going to wear a different color shirt than the one that God knew you would choose to wear.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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muhammad_isa said:
Is it possible to choose something other than what G-d knows that you will want to choose?
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He will choose what God knows he will choose, whatever that is, because what God knows he will choose is identical with what he will choose, since God is all knowing.

God's knowledge of what he will choose is not the cause of what he chooses.

He can choose anything he wants to choose, and whatever that is, it will be what God has always known he will choose.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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muhammad_isa said:
Are you claiming that G-d forces you to wear a red shirt, because he tells you that you will?
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I think he is saying that he will have to wear the red shirt because God said that he would wear the red shirt.

The problem with the argument of @Policy is that God did not say he was going to wear the red shirt.
Policy said that God said that he was going to wear the red shirt.

God would not say he was going to wear the red shirt unless God knew that he was going to choose to wear the red shirt.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Wildswanderer said:
If God doesn't talk to us then our faith is in vain. Because the entire Bible is the story of God's communication with man.
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What I meant is that God does not speak directly to ordinary human beings.
God communicated through Jesus who was a mediator between God and man for the Christian dispensation.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
 
ppp

ppp

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muhammad_isa said:
Whatever you say..
I do not like being falsely accused.
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it is hard to take you seriously when you keep ranting about lies, yet are consistently unable to identify the lie. It is almost exactly like you use the word 'lie' as your go to label for things you don't like.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Trailblazer said:
What I meant is that God does not speak directly to ordinary human beings.
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Of course he does.. he did it all through the Bible, Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, all the prophets, all the writers of every book of the Bible.
And Jesus said he would send the Holy Spirit to guide us into the truth, which is God communicating with ordinary people once again.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Wildswanderer said:
Of course he does.. he did it all through the Bible, Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, all the prophets, all the writers of every book of the Bible.
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Yes, God spoke to Jesus and Moses and all the other prophets, but God did not speak to ordinary men.
Wildswanderer said:
And Jesus said he would send the Holy Spirit to guide us into the truth, which is God communicating with ordinary people once again.
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God speaks through the Holy Spirit, but only to the Prophets and Messengers, not to ordinary people.
The Holy Spirit only works through the Messengers, it does not guide us in any other way.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Wildswanderer said:
They were just ordinary men, except for Jesus.
And the writers of the gospels were very ordinary. So was Mary the mother of Jesus.
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God only spoke to Jesus and Moses and the other prophets.
God did not speak to the writers of the gospels or to Mary.

God speaks through the Holy Spirit, but only to the Prophets and Messengers, not to ordinary people.
The Holy Spirit only works through the Messengers, it does not guide us in any other way.
 
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Wildswanderer

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Trailblazer said:
God only spoke to Jesus and Moses and the other prophets.
God did not speak to the writers of the gospels or to Mary.

God speaks through the Holy Spirit, but only to the Prophets and Messengers, not to ordinary people.
The Holy Spirit only works through the Messengers, it does not guide us in any other way.
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That's not even true according to the messegers.



Job 33:14-16
“Indeed God speaks once,
Or twice, yet no one notices it.
“In a dream, a vision of the night,
When sound sleep falls on men,
While they slumber in their beds,
Then He opens the ears of men,
And seals their instruction,

During the birth of Jesus, God spoke to Mary through an angel; he spoke to Joseph through a dream; he spoke to the shepherds through an angel and he spoke to the Magi through a dream.

I can't understand why people think God doesn't speak directly to them today.

God spoke directly to the writers of the Bible..
"These are the last words of David: “Here is the declaration by David, son of Jesse—the declaration by the man whom God raised up, whom the God of Jacob anointed, the singer of Israel’s psalms: The Spirit of the LORD spoke through me. His words were on my tongue The God of Israel spoke to them.” 2 Samuel 23:1-3

And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. (1 Corinthians 2:13 ESV)

But the Lord said to him [Ananias], “Go, for he [Paul] is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.” (Acts 9:15-16 ESV)

Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:4-5 ESV)

Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. (2 Peter 1:20-21 ESV)
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Wildswanderer said:
During the birth of Jesus, God spoke to Mary through an angel; he spoke to Joseph through a dream; he spoke to the shepherds through an angel and he spoke to the Magi through a dream.

I can't understand why people think God doesn't speak directly to them today.
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Maybe God did speak to Mary and Joseph the way you said, but there is no reason to believe that God spoke to the gospel authors. They might have been inspired by the Holy Spirit but that is not the same thing as God speaking to them directly as God spoke to Jesus.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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Triumph said:
Our DNA was designed before we started splitting cells to become a Homo Sapiens. It was programed to exist and the programer is called God.
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I don't believe you sorry, since all you have offered is an unevidenced subjective claim. Can you demonstrate anything approaching objective evidence to support the claim?
 
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