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I don't particularly want to sin...

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
And you were justified in being honest because no religious faith/belief has any rational basis for them. The biggest reason for this is due to their supernatural elements which are not factual. On that basis alone we should dismiss all religions and beliefs as being truth or credible. This doesn't mean some folks shouldn't apply the traditions of faith to their lives for meaning. I only suggest a belief that a God exists, and these dogmas being authorized by any of these God, is not credible or rational. If people believe then it is for reasons other than reason and knowledge.


Too much feeling, not enough thinking.

That was then. But once I came to understand, I realised I had been wrong all along. From my own personal investigation I discovered that there is a God and His recent Messenger Baha’u’llah, came to bring world unity, the next stage in humanity’s evolution.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
That was then. But once I came to understand, I realised I had been wrong all along.

From my own personal investigation I discovered that there is a God and His recent Messenger Baha’u’llah, came to bring world unity, the next stage in humanity’s evolution.
This reminds me that you never explained how you came to understand, and from an objective and factual method. Do you have any such explanation that will satisfy objective thinkers?
 

DNB

Christian
You may have noticed, but you have not understood, as I have endorsed nothing. Since I don't believe being gay needs anyone's endorsement anymore than being straight does. Your hateful bigotry simply reinforces my point.



As long as bigoted nut jobs don't know where I live, I'm inclined to respond "meh".



I have never claimed this, that pesky 9th commandment seems to be getting a pasting again.



I have also never remotely claimed anything like that, the bigoted hyperbole speaks for itself - straw man fallacy.



Again your Dr Doolittle impression is farcically wrong. "For these animals, there is documented evidence of homosexual behaviour of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting, as noted in researcher and author Bruce Bagemihl's 1999 book Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity."

So either being gay is perfectly natural, or your deity did it, oopsy. :D



I can't imagine a better approbation of my morals, than to be condemned for speaking out against hate speech, and by someone who regularly espouses the worst kind of vile homophobic bigotry. So thanks for that, made my day. Oh and that ludicrous hyperbolic bs, is another straw man fallacy.

To be honest, I'm a little disappointed that I wasn't threatened with the vapid torments of a "thorough posthumous torturing", that ironically often seems to obsess over a human orifice, that bullying religious bigots insist is verboten in this life as well. :rolleyes:
Homosexuality is an abomination, as is the approbation of it - but look who I'm talking to, one who believes that animals are homosexuals, and that creatures who are so selfish, ruthless and vicious in their daily lives, engage in funeral rituals, lamenting the death of their offspring - after they just killed 10 other creature's children.
 

DNB

Christian
Better than yours apparently with you listing some non-animals and calling them a part of the animal kingdom.
I said every non-human, several times. You're the one, as always, who isolated everything that i say in order to desperately try and make your myopic point.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If a God eternal God is unconditional love then it personally knows no wrongs.

Human experience lived supported trading lovingly together. Family changed behaviours human hurt then learnt not to trust family.

What learning about not living meant. Conditions.

As we live in with conditions.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
This reminds me that you never explained how you came to understand, and from an objective and factual method. Do you have any such explanation that will satisfy objective thinkers?

Language is unable to express many truths.

How great the multitude of truths which the garment of words can never contain! (Baha’u’llah)
 

DNB

Christian
If a God eternal God is unconditional love then it personally knows no wrongs.

Human experience lived supported trading lovingly together. Family changed behaviours human hurt then learnt not to trust family.

What learning about not living meant. Conditions.

As we live in with conditions.
'...knows no wrong..' or, rather, does no wrong? God is surely aware of iniquity, for He established the first prohibition known to man - for, 'where there is no law, there is no sin'
Why establish injunctions, when there is no threat of wrong-doing?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
'...knows no wrong..' or, rather, does no wrong? God is surely aware of iniquity, for He established the first prohibition known to man - for, 'where there is no law, there is no sin'
Why establish injunctions, when there is no threat of wrong-doing?
Eternal is the eternal itself the eternal which is explained as the unconditional love body. No laws as it's not in creation. It wasn't created and isn't created explained men.

As it is men who decided the theory of God. Taught by God in creation man said

One man anybody. One group everybody every man.

One man however disagrees with another man as a man and a man of the group.

Those who were proven wrong by gods laws. Rock. Rock was first fused. Rock can not ever be not fused as the law of space O formed holes holding by circular force. One law space empty. Gods law.

Gods law as law became sworn oath on a shut bible. Man's science was proven wrong.

Science hence tells science you are wrong. Yet you have to know laws to advise law as law.

Man was Living to know the law by definition gods presence was first rock.
 

Secret Chief

Vetted Member
How would you know, ...for I would say the same about yourself!
I'm aware that the great apes, of which humans are but one, are not the only cognitively advanced species. I studied biology at college and then psychology at university. Neither subject is concerned with only the study of homo sapiens. What about you? Your posts suggest complete ignorance.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I said every non-human, several times. You're the one, as always, who isolated everything that i say in order to desperately try and make your myopic point.
You didn't actually even counter my point. Dolphins have group bonding, they morn their dead, they have group rules. Elephants have group bonding, mourn their dead and later visit the grave, and they have group rules. Other primates are no different. Jane Goodall has even observed behaviors in chimps that appears ritualistic in nature. It has been observed that a very young bonobo basically died of a broken heart when his mom died (he fell into a deep depression and quit eating).
It's unfortunate the damage Abraham's god has done by trying to convince us we are above the rest of life and significantly superior in intellectual capacities and conscious awareness.
I dare say even snakes are not purely instinct driven.
 
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