I don't particularly want to sin...

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What if without God, there is simply powerful people doing whatever they want?

Isn't that a description of right now? What do you suppose God is doing about it?

 

[DNB]

Godnose what you need then.

Sorry, I meant that both you and Barbara need to give your heads a shake, and unlike myself.

 

[DNB]

My grant was to learn some science. What has it cost you to wilfully remain in such ignorance of a basic scientific consensus? But you're right, I should have just looked in any science book on the subject. To be fair though, the quote below will of course just bounce off you since your belief system will not permit acceptance.

"A hominid is a member of the family Hominidae, the great apes: orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans."
- Hominidae - Wikipedia

Ok, that's fine, ...let's just say then, that you came from the apes, but I didn't.

 

[DNB]

No, they were not. That is your belief, and very unfortunate for non-human life.

This too is your belief, and rather unfortunate. Crows and ravens, octopuses and dolphins, they all happen to be highly intelligent being who are even capable problem solvers. Crows are even good enough to be the only non-human to be able to figure out the hierarchy of another group. Many non-humans of have been observed working together in inter-species cooperation to achieve a common goal.

You're choosing extremely isolated anecdotes. Are you able to speak on a fundamental and over-arching level?

 

[DNB]

Eum... that humans are apes (and mammals and tetrapods and vertebrates and eukaryotes...) is covered in high school. One doesn't actually need a college or uni education to be taught the basics of the basics of biology and taxonomy.

ok, let's just say that you came from the apes, but the majority of us humans, like myself, did not come from the apes but were uniquely created by God, and incontrovertibly with His spirit within us, unlike any other creature on earth.

 

[lukethethird]

ok, let's just say that you came from the apes, but the majority of us humans, like myself, did not come from the apes but were uniquely created by God, and incontrovertibly with His spirit within us, unlike any other creature on earth.

That's what children are told.

 

[DNB]

As opposed to "I believe it, that settles it"?

Having said that, another thing covered in high school, is how scientific theory doesn't result in "incontrovertible fact". Theories are testable explanatory models that can account for all the evidence as well as predict new evidence. The theories are valid and the best we got until new evidence shows up that doesn't fit.

This is so for all theories in science.
Scientific explanations can't be proven by definition. Proof is for mathematics.
Theories can only be supported by evidence. As evolution is. Lots and lots of solid evidence.




Every species is "unlike any other creature". It's their unique traits that makes them a separate species.



No. All social species have a moral awareness. One more complex then the other. But all social species have it. It's pretty much an inevitable necessity whenever the slightest need for cooperation or mutual interests come up.

As humans have the most complex "social group", it is not surprising for them to have the most complex social constructs in terms of morals / rules of conduct.



What do you mean specifically by that?




Pretty much all animals have a tendency to be superstitious. Even pigeons, as an infamous experiment once showed.



Well aren't we a bit narcistic... "all this are belong to us!!"

Anyhow, in case you didn't notice, everything alive on this planet is pretty much hunted down and / or otherwise consumed by something else alive on this planet. Humans are no exception.

Plenty of predators will be more then happy to shred humans apart, eat them and let the young ones play with the carcass. Or even nasty insects or parasites who will put their eggs in your eyeball and have them hatch there with the newborn literally eating their way out.

Nature is pretty nasty sometimes....
Anyhow, humans are just as much part of the general food chain then other animals are.





And someone with a full brain who paid a bit of attention in high school, would understand that the psychology of animals goes much deeper then that, that the difference between us and the other great apes (on all levels) is much smaller then narcistic humans would like to think or admit it is and that this diversity of species and "ways of life" are pretty well understood and explained in the collective of scientific fields that together make up evolutionary biology.

Neil de Grassi is wrong The problem with you atheists and pedantic scientists is that you claim that if one cannot either see or quantify something, then it doesn't exist.
Words cannot express the shallow and devoid of perception your insights are. Look at the world around you, and count the inexcusable, unwarranted, and gratuitous atrocities that are committed everyday, throughout history. And, for the life of you, if you cannot detect that there's a spiritual warfare taking place within man every single day of his life, then you are blind as a bat - which, all you atheist are. For even the dumb, stupid animal kingdom do not behave in such a senseless and self-annihilating manner that man does - and yet, man is biologically the most intelligent of them all.

You pseudo scientists who claim how observant and analytical that you are, and pride yourselves as such, there is truly not a perceptive bone in any of your bodies.

 

[DNB]

Humans are animals, humans have instincts, your myopic dogmatism is chasing its tail again.



Nothing in science is incontrovertible, that's simply not how its methods work. Only religions cling to the absurd notion that there are absolute truths.



I don't believe you.



Like the chimpanzees we share over 96% of our DNA with, you are very wrong, and there is overwhelming evidence to demonstrate that you are very wrong.



Still not true Dr Doolittle, and again ample objective evidence has been demonstrated, so your dishonesty here is also manifest. As is the fact that the second claim is pure unevidenced assumption, your speciality judging from your posts.



Yes, humans are innately superstitious, and yes the fact that superstition is ubiquitous supports that, what you have failed to notice is that theses superstitions have imagined ideas that seem suspiciously to match the ignorance and prejudice of the era from which they originate, Which is why in the 21st century, we still see people espousing bronze and iron age morality from patriarchal Bedouin societies, like vile and pernicious homophobia, from people who lack the intelligence to see it for what it is.



Another demonstrably false claim, since humans only evolved about 200k years ago.



Those who possess the other half can look at the objective evidence, the evidence you have failed to address, unsurprisingly.

Have it your way Sheldon, let's just say that you came from the apes and leave it at that. For, there is substantial evidence to justify that claim. As for myself, I was created in God's image, by God Himself, with a spiritual dimension that allows me to discern the unseen. My vision is not perfect due to my selfishness, depravity and lack of humility before God, but, unfortunately, it surpasses yours, who insists that you are an ape - a victim of the Dawkin's delusion.

 

[DNB]

No it really isn't, and you are free to think whatever you like, it's just a shame you fail to reciprocate that level of basic decency, and condemn other human beings simply for who they are.

Homosexuals need to renounce their ways, and all will be forgiven. Just as I had to do myself, and am still working on. I'm not the one calling good, evil, and evil, good. No one hates the sinner, but we do abhor the sin. Whereas you love them both.

 

[DNB]

If I told my grandmother that, I'd be lying to her.

But this misses the point, doesn't it? If lying were objectively morally wrong, that would mean it's wrong in all cases. Except that we know that lying can be a moral action, given the right circumstances. If you were hiding Anne Frank in your attic and the Nazis came to your door asking if she were there, it would be a moral act to lie to their faces and say she is not there, don't you think?


I've provided you with a ton of links demonstrating that other animals can grieve and experience other related emotions at the loss of a loved one. Not to mention the fact that humans are actually animals.
Please stop repeating this false claim now. Or go spend some time with a dog.

The Jesus Christ response was just an example of how, for example, a Christian my find a compassionate answer in something truthful. With that example, it doesn't take much thought to see other ways that superseded the need to tell a lie.

Lying to the nazis in order to save someone's life, for my simple mind, yes, I would think that that constitutes a moral act. But, again, that's just me who may lack the wisdom to avoid a lie, but still achieve the same result - saving the persecuted's life.
Telling the truth is always the best policy, but, yes, sometimes it requires great tact and diplomacy, and great wisdom to do so without eliciting an adverse reaction.

 

[DNB]

Nonsense. My cousin finally came to the realization that she is a lesbian about 10 years ago, and I've never seen her happier. She now has a loving wife and a beautiful daughter, that she loves more than anything. She was absolutely miserable for most of her life before this because she was fighting who she really was in order to satisfy people like yourself (i.e. her "born-again" father).
Who are you to claim that she is wicked and is gay just to "justify her own licentiousness?" I assure you she is not destroying herself and your view of homosexuality is appalling.

By the way, I have no idea why you aren't aware of this, but homosexuality can be found all over the animal kingdom, if that's the asinine argument you want to go with.

Shame on you for condemning your fellow human being in such a hateful way. I want nothing to do with a God who wants us to view our fellow human beings in such a disgusting manner.

Homosexuality is an abomination, as are countless other sexual deviancies. But, we hope that people will renounce their corrupt ways and embrace what God has created to be a wholesome and healthy, in all aspects, lifestyle
Your cousin will be happier if she either remains heterosexual, or stays celibate. For one, it will be better for her in the long run, but she'll also enjoy marriage and relationships much more, if she practices in a manner that her Creator intended.

I don't endorse what your cousin did.

 

[DNB]

These are not "remote and isolated exceptions" by any means. You need to get out more.

Every time that I try, I end up meeting scary people like your atheist selves.

 

[DNB]

That's what children are told.

That's what the perceptive recognize and acknowledge.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You're choosing extremely isolated anecdotes. Are you able to speak on a fundamental and over-arching level?

Yes. Even plants appear to have a form of awareness.
Are Plants Aware?

 

[lukethethird]

That's what the perceptive recognize and acknowledge.

That's what believers believe.

 

[DNB]

Yes. Even plants appear to have a form of awareness.
Are Plants Aware?

No, i tried speaking to one, once, it entirely ignored me.

 

[Secret Chief]

Sorry, I meant that both you and Barbara need to give your heads a shake, and unlike myself.

I'll stick with the scientist rather than your vulgar nonsense, thanks.

 

[Secret Chief]

Ok, that's fine, ...let's just say then, that you came from the apes, but I didn't.

Whatever gets you off the hook.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, i tried speaking to one, once, it entirely ignored me.

That you're aware of.

 

[Sheldon]

What if without God, there is simply powerful people doing whatever they want?

Would you want to deny it, just because you find the idea unpalatable?