I have to be honest, Islam freaks me out

[Madhuri]

The film was created by Coptic Christians. Egypt is the home of Coptic Christianity.

I see, thanks.

 

[TashaN]

And here is how Islamic religious leaders responded:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...garding-recent-film-defaming.html#post3077812

 

[Music]

I haven't noticed the gay community calling for beheadings, or killing innocent people in symbolic brutal acts, so the comparison is meaningless.

Let me make this easy. A straight person is no position to comment on why the gay community shouldn't be angry, or why they shouldn't protest etc. etc. why? Because they don't know the harassment they have to face for being gay. Likewise, privileged people don't know what it's like to be made a butt of negative stereotypes, so they shouldn't wax lyrical on what minorities should or shouldn't do, how they should act, and so on. It is condescending.

There, now you get it.

 

[Madhuri]

Thanks for sharing, Tashan.

 

[Madhuri]

Let me make this easy. A straight person is no position to comment on why the gay community shouldn't be angry, or why they shouldn't protest etc. etc. why? Because they don't know the harassment they have to face for being gay. Likewise, privileged people don't know what it's like to be made a butt of negative stereotypes, so they shouldn't wax lyrical on what minorities should or shouldn't do, how they should act, and so on. It is condescending.

There, now you get it.

I think the point is that we don't see the gay people taking their resentment and making threats of violence. But we see Muslim groups doing this. In the context of the article I posted, there was no good reason for Muslims in Australia to start attacking the police and making their children hold up signs saying offenders should be beheaded.

 

[Music]

But the muslims in Australia are not being treated badly. They are provided with homes, social security, freedom and equality.

And anyway, are you seriously suggesting that it is OK to commit and threaten murder because someone made a film you find offensive ? Do you think the whole planet should succumb to this religious bullying ? I think you are being way too PC.

I have been subject to very bad treatment myself, but I don't think that entitles me to threaten or commit murder. Are you suggesting that because it was a matter of 'honor' it would have been OK for me to threaten my abusers with death ? Or worse, to actually kill them ?

Or is that not OK because I'm not muslim ?

I didn't say murder was right. Rather, I was commenting on the white folks' response to Islamic outrage, which has more to do with the fear of losing their white privilege and less to do with their abhorrence of violence.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Let me make this easy. A straight person is no position to comment on why the gay community shouldn't be angry, or why they shouldn't protest etc. etc. why? Because they don't know the harassment they have to face for being gay. Likewise, privileged people don't know what it's like to be made a butt of negative stereotypes, so they shouldn't wax lyrical on what minorities should or shouldn't do, how they should act, and so on. It is condescending.

There, now you get it.

You are assuming that these Muslims have been marginalized because they were immigrants. What evidence do you have of that? They aren't protesting the fact they are being marginalized, they are protesting the fact that Western free speech allows us to say what we want about Islam and they think that is wrong. They are demanding we change our culture to accommodate theirs. I grew up in the Middle East and learned to respect their culture while in their country. Time for them to do the same.

 

[Madhuri]

Rather, I was commenting on the white folks' response to Islamic outrage, which has more to do with the fear of losing their white privilege and less to do with their abhorrence of violence.

I think this is a discriminatory statement.
Even if it applies to a particular category of white people. it is not a majority representation. People respond the same way to the violence shown whether they are European, Asian, rich or poor.

 

[Music]

I think the point is that we don't see the gay people taking their resentment and making threats of violence. But we see Muslim groups doing this. In the context of the article I posted, there was no good reason for Muslims in Australia to start attacking the police and making their children hold up signs saying offenders should be beheaded.

Again, the point is not whether gay people are as violent. The point is, straight folks have no business commenting since they don't go through the same thing that gay folks go through. Likewise, locals have no business commenting since they don't go through what immigrants are going through.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I didn't say murder was right. Rather, I was commenting on the white folks' response to Islamic outrage, which has more to do with the fear of losing their white privilege and less to do with their abhorrence of violence.

The OP is about Islamic violence and you found a way to point at the White Man and say its all his fault? :sarcastic

 

[Draka]

I didn't say murder was right. Rather, I was commenting on the white folks' response to Islamic outrage, which has more to do with the fear of losing their white privilege and less to do with their abhorrence of violence.

BS. Since when is being upset that innocent people are being killed over something as stupid as a freakin movie "fear of losing white privilege"? I'm sorry, but it is most certainly a reaction to violence. This has nothing to do with "white privilege". :areyoucra

 

[Revoltingest]

And here is how Islamic religious leaders responded:
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...garding-recent-film-defaming.html#post3077812

From another thread.....

2. This anger and the desire to act upon it must be channeled to the constructive goal of preventing defamation, avoiding its re-occurrence, and making it clear that those who perpetrate defamation are wrongdoers. To reach these noble objectives, we need to avoid reacting in ways that will cause an increase or re-occurrence of such defamation, or make people come the defense of the perpetrators under the pretext of protecting freedom of expression.

The underlined portion concerns me.
I infer that "protecting freedom of expression" is a mere ruse.
I wonder if they don't understand the value we place on free speech?

 

[Music]

You are assuming that these Muslims have been marginalized because they were immigrants. What evidence do you have of that? They aren't protesting the fact they are being marginalized, they are protesting the fact that Western free speech allows us to say what we want about Islam and they think that is wrong. They are demanding we change our culture to accommodate theirs. I grew up in the Middle East and learned to respect their culture while in their country. Time for them to do the same.

It is a cumulative effect. Years and years of invasion, dehumanization ... so offensive cartoons or movies are the last straw, so to speak.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Again, the point is not whether gay people are as violent. The point is, straight folks have no business commenting since they don't go through the same thing that gay folks go through. Likewise, locals have no business commenting since they don't go through what immigrants are going through.

Bull. I'm a straight white guy and I'm very active and vocal when it comes to gay rights and community. You can't segment out a section of the crowd and say you don't count because I don't like you.

 

[Madhuri]

Again, the point is not whether gay people are as violent. The point is, straight folks have no business commenting since they don't go through the same thing that gay folks go through. Likewise, locals have no business commenting since they don't go through what immigrants are going through.

Oh ok, so if a group you are not associated with starts to threaten you with violence, you would remain silent and accept it because you have not had their experiences?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

It is a cumulative effect. Years and years of invasion, dehumanization ... so offensive cartoons or movies are the last straw, so to speak.

Nope. That is not how it works and there are lots and lots and lots of historical examples of immigrants to draw from. So unless you have some facts to back up your opinions, don't try to pass them off as true.

 

[Revoltingest]

BS. Since when is being upset that innocent people are being killed over something as stupid as a freakin movie "fear of losing white privilege"? I'm sorry, but it is most certainly a reaction to violence. This has nothing to do with "white privilege". :areyoucra

Moreover, the presumption that critics are white smacks of bigotry.
Music doesn't even know us yet.

 

[Draka]

Moreover, the presumption that critics are white smacks of bigotry.
Music doesn't even know us yet.

No kidding. As if only a white person would be upset over any of this. :sarcastic

 

[9Westy9]

Let me make this easy. A straight person is no position to comment on why the gay community shouldn't be angry, or why they shouldn't protest etc. etc. why? Because they don't know the harassment they have to face for being gay. Likewise, privileged people don't know what it's like to be made a butt of negative stereotypes, so they shouldn't wax lyrical on what minorities should or shouldn't do, how they should act, and so on. It is condescending.

There, now you get it.

the violence these Muslims have shown is NOT justified. I can understand why they're angry but they've stepped over the line.

I didn't say murder was right. Rather, I was commenting on the white folks' response to Islamic outrage, which has more to do with the fear of losing their white privilege and less to do with their abhorrence of violence.

No, it's more to do with freedom of speech than "white privilege"

 

[Debater Slayer]

I didn't say murder was right. Rather, I was commenting on the white folks' response to Islamic outrage, which has more to do with the fear of losing their white privilege and less to do with their abhorrence of violence.

This is coming from someone who is Middle Eastern himself, and no, the violence committed by those extremists is not justified in any way, shape, or form. We are talking about murdering completely uninvolved people, invading embassies of countries that have nothing to do with the movie at all, and vandalizing public and private property. This isn't just inexcusable; it is downright disgusting.

The violent, aggressive mindset of those people is the same violent, aggressive mindset of those who encouraged and condoned the 9/11 attacks, and they are no better than the war criminals they so vehemently oppose, in my opinion. Two wrongs will never make a right, so using US wars on the Middle East or any other similar thing as any kind of justification for this violence is illogical at best and hypocritical at worst.