I have to be honest, Islam freaks me out

[Music]

White people look at the world through a lens.

Therefore, anything goes when it comes to the behavior of people who happen to not be white since any reasoned criticism is automatically invalid because, hey, white.

I like it.

Not saying that's always the case, but shouldn't we at least consider the possibility instead of placing the entire blame upon one community? After all, there have been several instances of white politicians like Geert wilders, bnp in Britain taking advantage of matters such as these.

 

[apophenia]

Originally Posted by Father Heathen
They're protesting something that ultimately petty and trivial, and that can be remedied simply by being ignored. That's how civilized adults handle such things, anyway.

This is what I call missing the context. Nice job.

That is avoidance, not an answer. Father Heathen's point is the crux of the issue.

 

[9Westy9]

Not saying that's always the case, but shouldn't we at least consider the possibility instead of placing the entire blame upon one community? After all, there have been several instances of white politicians like Geert wilders, bnp in Britain taking advantage of matters such as these.

who's blaming the community? All I see is people criticising a group of violent Muslims

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Not saying that's always the case, but shouldn't we at least consider the possibility instead of placing the entire blame upon one community? After all, there have been several instances of white politicians like Geert wilders, bnp in Britain taking advantage of matters such as these.

Who said anything about blaming only Islam? This happens to be a thread on the Islamic issue. Doesn't mean people here who view Islamism as a social disease don't have criticism to spare for other blameworthy entities/movements as well.

For example, I really, really dislike how Western governments have waged what amounts to another crusade on the Islamic world fostering a great deal of this enmity. And I think this was done deliberately in the model of Leo Strauss' idea of organizing society around an enemy-image. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, international Islam is a convenient target.

That said, I still regard Islam's doctrines as reprehensible, and all but the most liberal/humanistic/abstract interpretations of the Quran as invalid ethically and philosophically, scripting people for fundamentalist attitudes and unreasoning rage, who when immigrated to Western countries often form exclusive non-integrating enclaves rife with social misconduct due to Islam having been an effective vehicle for conserving medieval mentalities.

Multiculturalism indeed.

 

[Father Heathen]

This is what I call missing the context. Nice job.

Nah. I hit the nail on the head, kid.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

There you go. I would not have guessed that you had such a background. How could I ?

Music is acting on the assumption that we are all white middle-class (and stupid) stereotypes. How enlightened of him. Well, condescending actually, to use his term.

BTW, I would love to hear about your childhood, it sounds like an illuminating experience. Maybe down the track sometime you can find a context to tell us all about it.

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Growing up in the Middle East was enlightening for me. Its the reason I have a deep respect for the Islamic religion, history and culture, and why its so heartbreaking to see the Fundamentalists in control.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

That is avoidance, not an answer. Father Heathen's point is the crux of the issue.

I interpreted his mention of context as meaning that Muslims are somehow protesting things that legitimately infringe on their rights, and that to ignore it would be to go along with the program of oppression. They can't ignore it, and we shouldn't.

Or something like that.

And I'd agree - if the issue at hand were something like racial profiling and whatnot. But it's not.

 

[Music]

who's blaming the community? All I see is people criticising a group of violent Muslims

All the while refusing to see the bigger picture, which is western interference in Muslim nations. That's dishonest.

Anyway, I bow out of this thread; it is getting us nowhere. I hope people here can give up their hatred (even if it seems justified) and try to be more Gandhian in their approach.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

I admire Gandhi greatly, and work for an organization named after his central principle, but I am not sure Gandhi's policy in regards to Islamic "two nation theory" worked.

 

[apophenia]

Who said anything about blaming only Islam? This happens to be a thread on the Islamic issue. Doesn't mean people here who view Islamism as a social disease don't have criticism to spare for other blameworthy entities/movements as well.

For example, I really, really dislike how Western governments have waged what amounts to another crusade on the Islamic world fostering a great deal of this enmity. And I think this was done deliberately in the model of Leo Strauss idea of organizing society around an enemy-image. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, international Islam is a convenient target.

Yep, Music wouldn't know that I was on the streets of Melbourne protesting the Cheney-Rumsfeld war crime in Iraq. He seems to live in a very black and white world.

 

[Father Heathen]

All the while refusing to see the bigger picture, which is western interference in Muslim nations. That's dishonest.

Anyway, I bow out of this thread; it is getting us nowhere. I hope people here can give up their hatred (even if it seems justified) and try to be more Gandhian in their approach.

So we're being "hateful" for being critical of savage, uncivilized and unjustified behavior? I hope you can give up your irrational, emotional theatrics and try to be more Gandhian in your approach.

 

[Nooj]

If I may butt in, Madhuri.....
We all have a moral right to comment....nay, a moral obligation.
One's race or religion does not disqualify one from this.
I see no honor in the violent protests where they injure & kill innocent people.
This is to use their faith as an excuse to give into rage & commit unjust carnage.

sorry to be the boring moral nihilist, but we all don't have moral obligations.

 

[9Westy9]

All the while refusing to see the bigger picture, which is western interference in Muslim nations. That's dishonest.

That has nothing to do with this thread or this issue. This issue is about freedom of speech and the unjustified violence of some Muslims.

Anyway, I bow out of this thread; it is getting us nowhere. I hope people here can give up their hatred (even if it seems justified) and try to be more Gandhian in their approach.

LOL. We can give up our hatred because we don't have any. All we have is disgust at the actions of a few idiots who call themselves Muslims.

 

[Shuddhasattva]

I'll admit, I hate Islam. I don't hate Muslims, rather I view them as victims of a self-reinforcing ideology passed on memetically through a family unit system stuck in the dark ages and a closed society.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

All the while refusing to see the bigger picture, which is western interference in Muslim nations. That's dishonest.

Anyway, I bow out of this thread; it is getting us nowhere. I hope people here can give up their hatred (even if it seems justified) and try to be more Gandhian in their approach.

Right, because we're the haters.

 

[9Westy9]

Right, because we're the haters.

my opinion is that he's getting desperate to try and defend his position, so all he has left is to call us "haters" and people who "fail to see the bigger picture".

 

[Nooj]

I'll admit, I hate Islam. I don't hate Muslims, rather I view them as victims of a self-reinforcing ideology passed on memetically through a family unit system stuck in the dark ages and a closed society.

why do you describe yourself as admitting a hatred for islam? is it a source of shame for you to hate islam?

 

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[Draka]

Kind of disturbing really. All this time wasted, trying to justify violence. Trying to blame it on "whitey". Trying to make out like being upset by violence is just a "white" thing because it's only really a "fear of losing white privilege". No...it can't possibly be because people are losing their lives over a movie. No, can't be that. Can't be over something so completely stupid. The mindset here is almost as frightening as those doing the actual attacks. The justification of it all. That's it you know. That justification. The idea that it's somehow right to do. Just...scary.

 

[Father Heathen]

Kind of disturbing really. All this time wasted, trying to justify violence. Trying to blame it on "whitey". Trying to make out like being upset by violence is just a "white" thing because it's only really a "fear of losing white privilege". No...it can't possibly be because people are losing their lives over a movie. No, can't be that. Can't be over something so completely stupid. The mindset here is almost as frightening as those doing the actual attacks. The justification of it all. That's it you know. That justification. The idea that it's somehow right to do. Just...scary.

This.