joelr
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Not my viewpoint on Adam and Eve. It's a common story like the flood story.
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I Just Proved That Jesus Is A False Messiah In Less Than 5 Minutes
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I will acknowledge some claims, but so what?!?!?!?!?! The Bible, Koran, and many other texts have validated claims in the texts, but many of the claims of the Book of Urantia are contemporary mythology and lack the competence and consistency of everyday science.
The attitude you expressed toward science is extremely problematic,
Some science mythical speculation!?!?!?!!?
Need od reference and documentation to back up this foolishness.
Not much if any. The Book of Urantia does describe continental drift theory, but ideas of continental drift is older., Wegener 1912 published, but discussed earlier as he developed the theory.
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/continental-drift
Continental drift describes one of the earliest ways geologists thought continents moved over time. Today, the theory of continental drift has been replaced by the science of plate tectonics. The theory of continental drift is most associated with the scientist Alfred Wegener. In the early 20th century, Wegener published a paper explaining his theory that the continental landmasses were “drifting” across the Earth, sometimes plowing through oceans and into each other. He called this movement continental drift. Pangaea
Five Solas
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You are on the right track...
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'm sure his is not the only conclusion like that, but as time unfolds if we're alive, we'll see what's happening.
joelr
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rational experiences
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Gases earths spirit heavens takes up space so fills it in.
Immaculate once came from gas cloud burning dense mass volcanic. It thinned by taking in space stretch cooling.
Losing Immaculate body by type opens up more space voided of its cold gas type then cloud density images emerge in clouds due to ground mass sciences.
Who used consciously the human advice heavens gases. The gases not any stones natural mass cooling history.
As rock was only a dense self consuming energy mass.
Told exactly why you did it. Caused by human sciences. As you used heavens gases natural presence with an earth mass thesis to convert mass.
Why we lost a huge mass natural ground water. To form assist new clouds. The teaching how earths ground life got imaged above in the clouds.
Involving carbon of microbes biology used itself living in ground water.
An exact taught scientific human advised teaching. Told why it happened. Why phenomena was involved.
Meanwhile biology gets removed on ground by physical via burning gases. The ice melts saviour puts water back too late life is sacrificed now ignored.
Life is sacrificed.
Life was sacrificed.
Don't do it again science legally outlawed. Christian Catholic stand.
Theist today any status looked at exists only because ice saved it. Science status already owns naturally the saviour.
Theist pretends when ice doesn't exist. Cosmic thesis.
Says if invented introduced saviour myself in inventive reasons. Pretending saviour was a man in AI themes.
Then I would increase earths ice mass myself. Cool lightning to heavens electricity amount what I want where I theory first. As I think I'm an Ai God on earth.
Part machine man.
Five Solas
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The Christian church unapologetically confirms:
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Colt
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Buts peers reviewed it! LoL!
Richard I. Pervo
"In February 2001, Pervo was arrested after investigators found thousands of images of child pornography on his work computer at the University of Minnesota.[12] In May he pleaded guilty to five counts of possession and one count of distribution of child pornography. He was sentenced to one year in a state workhouse and eight years probation.[13][14] He formally resigned from the University of Minnesota as of June 2001, having been suspended since his arrest.[15] After serving his sentence he continued to publish theological works as an independent scholar and Fellow of the Westar Institute,[2] and was recognized as an authority on the canonical and non-canonical books of Acts.[16]
The Perv was a phony!
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Colt
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The Urantia revelation began in 1911-1934, then printed in 1955.
True, the theory of continental drift was first proposed in 1912 by Wagner but his hypothesis of how it worked was in wide disfavor at the time. "Wegener originally proposed that the breakup of Pangaea was due to centripetal forces from the Earth's rotation acting on the high continents. However, this mechanism was easily shown to be physically implausible, which delayed acceptance of the Pangaea hypothesis." source Wiki
It was Arthur Holmes who would add more to the understanding of the mechanism for continental drift:
Holmes championed the theory of continental drift promoted by Alfred Wegener at a time when it was deeply unfashionable with his more conservative peers. One problem with the theory lay in the mechanism of movement, and Holmes proposed that Earth's mantle contained convection cells that dissipated radioactive heat and moved the crust at the surface. His Principles of Physical Geology ended with a chapter on continental drift. Part of the model was the origin of the seafloor spreading concept.[16][17]
Seafloor spreading
Earlier theories by Alfred Wegener and Alexander du Toit of continental drift postulated that continents in motion "plowed" through the fixed and immovable seafloor. The idea that the seafloor itself moves and also carries the continents with it as it spreads from a central rift axis was proposed by Harold Hammond Hess from Princeton University and Robert Dietz of the U.S. Naval Electronics Laboratory in San Diego in the 1960s.[1][2] The phenomenon is known today as plate tectonics. In locations where two plates move apart, at mid-ocean ridges, new seafloor is continually formed during seafloor spreading.
Wagner also proposed an original "supercontinent" which he called Pangea. The UB also acknowledged a supercontinent BUT also refers to continental masses that predated Pangea. There is extensive coverage in the UB of land movements, emergence, submergence, shifting, spreading etc.
UB 1911-34, printed 1955
paper 58,59 and 60 discuss it
Life Establishment on Urantia
There is no evidence that the Book of Urantia existed in 1911. It is a fairly recent compilation by the evidence. No documents nor records concerning the Book of Urantia exist prior to 1924.
The Urantia Book - Wikipedia.
The Urantia Book (sometimes called The Urantia Papers or The Fifth Epochal Revelation) is a spiritual, philosophical, and religious book that originated in Chicago sometime between 1924 and 1955.
Wegener was working on Continental Drift for years before he published it.
All new knowledge in science is often not accepted when initially proposed, ie Einstein's work.
Nonetheless there is nothing significantly new in science in the Book of Urantia,
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Yes this is what many, but not all, Christians 'believe,' but this is a subjective basis for belief and nothing more. Objective understanding confirms that there are far too many conflicting interpretations and understanding of scripture, and the contradictions with fallible human beliefs in the diverse religions of the world to justify that any one is the correct and true belief even in a relative perspective.
By what objective standard could one rely on to make the right choice out of many possible conflicting beliefs? The evidence demonstrates that one's beliefs is dependent on ones culture and the desire for a sense of community and identity and not which one is the 'true' belief. The claims of one 'True belief is based on very circular arguments to believe what one desires to believe.
It still is a fact of scripture it describes a tritheistic belief in the three Gods in one God. Nonetheless each of the three Gods have distinct separate identity..
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Colt
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You are simply wrong about the dates. We have plenty of widely known evidence about when the contacts began. One has to be careful with wiki, they must be confusing the beginning of the "Forum" that met at Saddlers house long after the material first began coming through.
Saddler wrote about his first contacts in his book "The Mind at Mischief" Appendix from the "The Mind at Mischief" Dr Saddlers adopted daughter Christy, who to dictation on the sessions with the "sleeping subject" said they actually began in 1906. Sadler would latter acknowledge the 1911 error.
Sadler, William S., The Mind at Mischief, New York: Funk & Wagnalls Company, 1929. pp. 382-384
"The other exception has to do with a rather peculiar case of psychic phenomena, one which I find myself unable to classify, and which I would like very much to narrate more fully; I cannot do so here, however, because of a promise which I feel under obligation to keep sacredly. In other words, I have promised not to publish this case during the lifetime of the individual. I hope sometime to secure a modification of that promise and be able to report this case more fully because of its interesting features. I was brought in contact with it, in the summer of 1911, and I have had it under my observation more or less ever since, having been present at probably 250 of the night sessions, many of which have been attended by a stenographer who made voluminous notes.
A thorough study of this case has convinced me that it is not one of ordinary trance. While the sleep seems to be quite of a natural order, it is very profound, and so far we have never been able to awaken the subject when in this state; but the body is never rigid, and the heart action is never modified, tho respiration is sometimes markedly interfered with. This man is utterly unconscious, wholly oblivious to what takes place, and unless told about it subsequently, never knows that he has been used as a sort of clearing house for the coming and going of alleged extra-planetary personalities. In fact, he is more or less indifferent to the whole proceeding, and shows a surprising lack of interest in these affairs as they occur from time to time.
In no way are these night visitations like the seances associated with spiritualism. At no time during the period of eighteen years' observation has there been a communication from any source that claimed to be the spirit of a deceased human being. The communications which have been written, or which we have had the opportunity to hear spoken, are made by a vast order of alleged beings who claim to come from other planets to visit this world, to stop here as student visitors for study and observation when they are en route from one universe to another or from one planet to another. These communications further arise in alleged spiritual beings who purport to have been assigned to this planet for duties of various sorts.
Eighteen years of study and careful investigation have failed to reveal the psychic origin of these messages. I find myself at the present time just where I was when I started. Psychoanalysis, hypnotism, intensive comparison, fail to show that the written or spoken messages of this individual have origin in his own mind. Much of the material secured through this subject is quite contrary to his habits of thought, to the way in which he has been taught, and to his entire philosophy. In fact, of much that we have secured, we have failed to find anything of its nature in existence. Its philosophic content is quite new, and we are unable to find where very much of it has ever found human expression."
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Any documents or other specific evidence that the Book of Urantia existed in 1911?
It still remains that there is absolutely no evidence for the Book of Urantia existing before 1924, the final compilation is much later and nothing significantly new in science.
Still waiting . . .
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Colt
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What still remains is that you have a bias, a chip on your shoulder, you don't do your research. What's weird is that even though it was printed in 55 you are willing to accept a 1924 date???? The Stenographer mentioned in "The Mind at Mischief" was Christy who had been typing material from the night sessions? There are plenty of statements of facts about science in the UB that have subsequently been validated. If you were a real seaker you could go find them. This thread is getting hijacked so its best to leave you to your own beliefs.
More facts you could have easily found if you were a true fact seeker.
Details did not begin to emerge until 1976 when a disgruntled former Forum member, author Harold Sherman, published a book called How To Know What to Believe. In a chapter titled, “Pipeline to God,” Sherman told of his and his wife Martha’s turbulent five-year Forum experience during the years 1942-1947. He included the origin story Dr. Sadler related to them in the evening of August 20, 1942, when they were still in a honeymoon phase with the Doctor. The Shermans were living in an apartment across the street, and they quickly went back and made a detailed written record of the information Dr. Sadler had imparted. (Sherman used fictitious names in his book but here we have substituted the real ones.)
“About thirty-five years ago (1907) when [Sadler’s wife] Dr. Lena and I were young physicians together, we decided to move, but the place we had in mind was not yet available. We were directed to a furnished apartment in the neighborhood, which we took for several months until our place was ready.
“We had been there about two weeks, and some of the tenants had apparently learned we were physicians, because one of them, a woman living directly below us, rapped on our door about 11:00 p.m. as we were in the act of retiring. She said, ‘Will you please come downstairs with me? Something has happened to my husband. He’s gone to sleep; he’s breathing very strangely, and I can’t wake him up.’
“We slipped on our bathrobes and went down to her apartment, where I saw a medium sized man, approaching middle age, asleep in bed, breathing very fitfully. He would take a couple of short, quick breaths and then would hold his breath for a time, long enough for any normal human to have gotten black in the face, but nothing happened. I took his pulse and was surprised to find it was normal. I then tried to arouse him with every known method, even to sticking pins in him—but failed. His wife seemed to be a somewhat nervous and superstitious type. She was frankly frightened, even though I assured her that he seemed to be in good physical shape, despite his peculiar actions.
Not disgruntled at all just need the facts and not avoiding to respond.
Any documents or other specific evidence that the Book of Urantia existed in 1911?
It still remains that there is absolutely no evidence for the Book of Urantia existing before 1924, the final compilation is much later and nothing significantly new in science.
Still waiting . . .
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Colt
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The actual book didn't even exist until 1955. The nickel plates had been set at R.L. Donelly after 1934. What I said was the material began coming through as early as 1906.
Do your own research, this thread isn't the UB haters thread.
Reports can be viewed here. UBtheNEWS: New discoveries support history presented in The Urantia Book (1955). – UBannotated
Five Solas
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All Christians believe that.
People who do not believe that are not Christians.
That is as objective as it could possibly get...
It is up to the on making the claim to provide the evidence.
I do not hate the Book of URantia. I just do not believe what it claims.
Name calling is not meaningful. Material coming into existence in 1906 does not justify your claims of the science of the Book of Urantia. Like the Bible the Book of Urantia is a result of compiling and edited over time.
The 'objective' requires consistent verifiable evidence. There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for religious beliefs;mwhich by their nature are subjective particularly since they are conflicting and contradictory and too many divisions of religion claim their the only 'Way' so to speak.
No not al Christians agree, Would you be referring to all true Christians?Logically there are no true Scotsman, or more politically correct 'no Scotspersons.'
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