I kill kittens.

[DallasApple]

To a degree I agree.
However, any organization that relies upon donations that does not get enough donations to pay the bills....

Then when you consider that they charge you $80 to adopt an animal...
Of course, said animal will have had all its shots, been fixed, dewormed, etc.

Yep..you want to adopt an animal from a shelter you have to pay..money..which is good....all those animals have been nuetered and spayed..de wormed and such..

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

And I guess that changes everything. Let's hope that nobody finds a deserted (human) baby in a place of employment! What an inconvenience that would be...

No it doesnt change anything..I just noticed that..I pictured an old worn out barn in the middle of the woods ...

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

And I guess that changes everything. Let's hope that nobody finds a deserted (human) baby in a place of employment! What an inconvenience that would be...

Look..Im not saying its good..My whole point all along was to kill the parents..Got it?

Love

DAllas

 

[Madhuri]

Look..Im not saying its good..My whole point all along was to kill the parents..Got it?

Love

DAllas

De-sexing is probably nicer, if you can afford it.

 

[McBell]

De-sexing is probably nicer, if you can afford it.

A couple firecrackers and duct tape..

 

[Darkness]

I just cannot make out if Revoltingest actually killed kittens or if this is all hypothetical. I wouldn't be surprised with either being the truth. I think the point Revoltingest is trying to get across is that humans are party to barbarity all the time, whether they realise it or not. Every time you eat beef, you are supporting an industry that tortures animals for their entire lives. The very expansion of the human population has led to the untold deaths of millions of innocent animals. We are a violent species indeed. We merely don't recognise it unless we do it ourselves.

 

[Venatoris]

Every time you eat beef, you are supporting an industry that tortures animals for their entire lives.

Spoken like a person who has truly never seen a farm. Tortures animals? Where do you get this stuff? I live in the heart of cattle country and not once have I seen a person so much as look at a cow with disrespect, let alone torture one.

Edit: and americans wonder why the cows are mad.

 

[Madhuri]

Spoken like a person who has truly never seen a farm. Tortures animals? Where do you get this stuff? I live in the heart of cattle country and not once have I seen a person so much as look at a cow with disrespect, let alone torture one.

Edit: and americans wonder why the cows are mad.

You are both right/wrong. A lot of cattle are left alone to graze until it's time for their cruel slaughter, but there are also cattle that kept locked up for their entire lives. When you are eating beef, you probably won't know whether it came from one on a 'nice' farm or from a a house of horrors.

 

[Venatoris]

You are both right/wrong. A lot of cattle are left alone to graze until it's time for their cruel slaughter, but there are also cattle that kept locked up for their entire lives. When you are eating beef, you probably won't know whether it came from one on a 'nice' farm or from a a house of horrors.

All Alberta beef comes from nice farms, trust me! We prosecute people who treat their cattle poorly. Locking up cattle degrades the quality of the meat. As for the cruel slaughter, it doesn't exist. I know this to be true because the easiest/cheapest way to kill a cow is also the most humane way to kill a cow - the bolt gun. I have seen it in action and if I had a choice, that's how I would want to go. I can't speak for farms in other countries but in Canada you can eat beef guilt free.

 

[Madhuri]

All Alberta beef comes from nice farms, trust me!

Good to know. It isn't like that everywhere.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When you are eating beef, you probably won't know whether it came from one on a 'nice' farm or from a a house of horrors.

I try to buy meat and dairy that comes from a real local farms for that reason, rather than the mega farms where the animals probably did have a nightmare for a life.

 

[Magic Man]

:yes:

I can't add anything, really. I once was a very committed vegan for years who would have been horrified at the OP, but after working closely with an organic farm in the area, animals' deaths don't seem to be as moralistically black-and-white anymore. We plan on raising animals, too. And we see that animals breed (a lot) and can exhaust their food supply, they get sick and possibly infect the other animals, they attack us or each other, they GET attacked by predators, and so on and so on.

At a certain point, one has to come to the decision on what REALLY is the most humane and compassionate option for the animals themselves. I'm admittedly very much an amateur in this part of sustainable living that isn't discussed very much, but it shouldn't be ignored.

This pretty much explains why I don't feel the need to become vegetarian. I now buy my meat from a local farm that raises the animals right, so that they don't suffer, and that's good enough for me.

 

[Magic Man]

As far as the OP goes, I think they should have been given to a shelter or rescue. There's pretty much always a shelter or rescue that'll take them. Either that or I would have raised them myself. There are some situations where it's necessary to kill animals, but I don't think the OP is one of them.

 

[Revoltingest]

I just cannot make out if Revoltingest actually killed kittens or if this is all hypothetical. I wouldn't be surprised with either being the truth. I think the point Revoltingest is trying to get across is that humans are party to barbarity all the time, whether they realise it or not. Every time you eat beef, you are supporting an industry that tortures animals for their entire lives. The very expansion of the human population has led to the untold deaths of millions of innocent animals. We are a violent species indeed. We merely don't recognise it unless we do it ourselves.

I altered the OP to suit moderator needs of hypotheticality. Some of its oddness comes from that; the rest is from me.
(Btw, I really like reasonable & communicative moderation....tis a breath of fresh air.) Thanx for recognizing the larger
issues I wanted discussed. (I think I'd be a little less provocative if I had a do-over though.)

 

[Neo-Logic]

Might makes right.

You win.

 

[Darkness]

I altered the OP to suit moderator needs of hypotheticality. Some of its oddness comes from that; the rest is from me.
(Btw, I really like reasonable & communicative moderation....tis a breath of fresh air.) Thanx for recognizing the larger
issues I wanted discussed. (I think I'd be a little less provocative if I had a do-over though.)

I see a broad sweeping evolution of ethics in the West over the past 400 or so years. If Western Civilization doesn't collapse, we will probably all become vegetarians as rights expand. Our children's grandchildren will look at as we look at all the silly racists of the early 20th century. I should go vegan just to get ahead of the curve.

 

[Revoltingest]

I see a broad sweeping evolution of ethics in the West over the past 400 or so years. If Western Civilization doesn't collapse, we will probably all become vegetarians as rights expand. Our children's grandchildren will look at as we look at all the silly racists of the early 20th century. I should go vegan just to get ahead of the curve.

Don't go vegan til they ban bacon.

 

[Darkness]

Don't go vegan til they ban bacon.

I just want to be able to buy the Veganomicon, because it sounds like the Necronomicon.

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

Wow. Never thought I'd actually be faced with a similar situation IRL.

And yes, given the circumstances, I decided to let the kitten live.

 

[Madhuri]

I see a broad sweeping evolution of ethics in the West over the past 400 or so years. If Western Civilization doesn't collapse, we will probably all become vegetarians as rights expand. Our children's grandchildren will look at as we look at all the silly racists of the early 20th century. I should go vegan just to get ahead of the curve.

Hmm, I odubt that the world will even become entirely vegetarian. But maybe if more and more people make that choice we might eventually evolve into herbavores. But prior to that hypothetical situation, in order for a person to be healthy and veg they need access to the right foods. A lot of poor people in the world don't have that choice.

But you are right, if the world was mostly vegetarian then humans would see their ancestors (us) as cruel barbarians.