I kill kittens.

[Scuba Pete]

Your "implications" strike me as just some pompously pious guy itching for a flame war.

Speaking of hypocrisy... Is it OK for you to ruffle feathers but not to have your feathers ruffled back? Somehow, those inconvenient observations become a "flame war" while your efforts are pious? My intent here was not to ruffle your feathers, but to point out your true intent to ruffle ours. I did this because I saw that your troll was upsetting a few people, and I wanted them to put it into perspective. Here is your opening line from the OP:

Things have been too quiet here lately, so it's time to ruffle some feathers....or raise some fur.

Now you glibly state:

I won't participate. I'm not even offended.

You are not a participant as much as you are an instigator.

Is that hypocrisy (with a faint seafoody quality) I smell?

You can call it what you will. This is my last post on this topic. The readers can now deduce why you tried to offend us and perhaps you won't hook any more with your troll. Hopefully the thread will die by being ignored, and be allowed to pass on into internet ignominy while you continue to shovel kittens to death and revel in it.

 

[DallasApple]

[QUOTEOn a farm, you have to make choices about the life and death of other living things; and in every one of those choices you deal with the fact, subconsciously or not, that one day it will be your turn. When it is, how would you prefer it to go down?
][/QUOTE]

I would "prefer" that in this case you don't continue to allow cats to roam around and have babies that are only going to be born for me to kill because I dont want them in my barn.

Take care of the adult population .Unless you want to have to keep killing litters..Which doesnt stop the adult cats from breeding and dropping them in your barn once again.Capture the adults..and kill them..

The mother and the father of this specific litter are just going to have more..

When you have a roach infestation you dont just kill the babies..

Love

Dallas

 

[bain-druie]

[QUOTEOn a farm, you have to make choices about the life and death of other living things; and in every one of those choices you deal with the fact, subconsciously or not, that one day it will be your turn. When it is, how would you prefer it to go down?
]

I would "prefer" that in this case you don't continue to allow cats to roam around and have babies that are only going to be born for me to kill because I dont want them in my barn.

Take care of the adult population .Unless you want to have to keep killing litters..Which doesnt stop the adult cats from breeding and dropping them in your barn once again.Capture the adults..and kill them..

The mother and the father of this specific litter are just going to have more..

When you have a roach infestation you dont just kill the babies..

Love

Dallas[/quote]

Agreed. :yes: I had no problem with what you said earlier.

 

[Revoltingest]

Speaking of hypocrisy... Is it OK for you to ruffle feathers but not to have your feathers ruffled back?

Fear not...no ruffling here. You ought to re-read the thread to correct your misunderstanding. I get that you dislike me, but I'll skip your drama.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Fear not...no ruffling here. You ought to re-read the thread to correct your misunderstanding. I get that you dislike me, but I'll skip your drama.

I don't dislike you: I have never met you. Do you feel that EVERYONE who disagrees with you or your actions dislikes you? Egad! Some of my best friends disagree with me on some major issues.

Reread what I am against, my friend. It's your impetus for the thread that bothers me. OK, so I don't get sucked in further, I am unsubscribing from this thread. If you don't understand it by now, you never will.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't dislike you:

I'm going by your rancor. It it's temporary, then relief is nigh. Woo hoo!

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

Things have been too quiet here lately, so it's time to ruffle some feathers....or raise some fur.
Hypothetically....suppose I once found a family of very young kittens living in a car (an open convertible) stored in my barn. Certainly, I wouldn't let my customer
have his car soiled by their living arrangements, so I presume I must remove them. They wouldn't survive in the wild, even with mom's help so I thought I should
do something. My solution (which is legal where I live): I'd take a large shovel & quickly euthanized (executed? murdered? killed?) each one. (And yes, for those
who want the gory details, their little intestines would squirted out & get me.) I wouldn't want to take them to the Humane Society, since they'd want money from
me just to do the same thing, but more expensively....& they'd whine for donations.
So....was this hypothetical solution:
1) Right
2) Wrong
3) Neither, but you'd do the same
4) Neither, but you'd do differently

Btw, I didn't enjoy it, but I don't feel bad about it either, since my plan was to minimize suffering.

Note: Edited for legal reasons.

It'd be easy to say that this was cruel and immoral. But, as no doubt some have said, if you gave them to a shelter, their likelihood of survival is slim. And assuming you whacked them hard enough to kill them or at least knock them out on the first blow or two, your method really isn't as bad as it may sound.

I can't really say either way. Is the place replete with feral cats? Or are they with their mom, and no other cats are around? Or are they abandoned? If it's the first, then though I may not like the decision, killing them may well be the best thing to do. If it's the second, I don't see the point, as they could grow up and become barn cats. The third is, for me, the hardest; surely someone could adopt them, but if not, and you're not willing to take all the time to raise them, you might as well get it over with instead of letting them starve to death.

(and as I type this, my two cats go walking by me...)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would have adopted them if possible, and if I couldn't then I would have tried to find homes for them. They shouldn't die just because you found them to be a nuisance.
And now I am going to send kitty ninjas after you!:ninja: They look cute and cuddly from a distance, but when you are close enough is when they like to take your hand off.

 

[Darkness]

There are three humane possible courses of action. a) drive them to a no-kill SPCA shelter; b) pet stores are willing to take free kittens, since free is always good in business; c) take care of them until they are old enough to take care of themselves.

 

[DallasApple]

I noticed somthing..'certainly I wouldnt let my customers car be soiled"..

You arent in rural..Its not a barn in the woods..It a place of your employment..

Love

Dallas

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

Things have been too quiet here lately, so it's time to ruffle some feathers....or raise some fur.
Hypothetically....suppose I once found a family of very young kittens living in a car (an open convertible) stored in my barn. Certainly, I wouldn't let my customer
have his car soiled by their living arrangements, so I presume I must remove them. They wouldn't survive in the wild, even with mom's help so I thought I should
do something. My solution (which is legal where I live): I'd take a large shovel & quickly euthanized (executed? murdered? killed?) each one. (And yes, for those
who want the gory details, their little intestines would squirted out & get me.) I wouldn't want to take them to the Humane Society, since they'd want money from
me just to do the same thing, but more expensively....& they'd whine for donations.
So....was this hypothetical solution:
1) Right
2) Wrong
3) Neither, but you'd do the same
4) Neither, but you'd do differently

Btw, I didn't enjoy it, but I don't feel bad about it either, since my plan was to minimize suffering.

Note: Edited for legal reasons.

I think that's lazy and sick. Don't have a clutch of kids anywhere inconvenient for me. I'll whack em all to death and bury them just like you. It's just a helpless creature who has been domesticated into helplessness and then not properly tended to and controlled by humans. Why do a little work, why make people fix their animals, when you can just whack them to death to control the overpopulation that human negligence has caused?

 

[cynic2005]

Things have been too quiet here lately, so it's time to ruffle some feathers....or raise some fur.
Hypothetically....suppose I once found a family of very young kittens living in a car (an open convertible) stored in my barn. Certainly, I wouldn't let my customer
have his car soiled by their living arrangements, so I presume I must remove them. They wouldn't survive in the wild, even with mom's help so I thought I should
do something. My solution (which is legal where I live): I'd take a large shovel & quickly euthanized (executed? murdered? killed?) each one. (And yes, for those
who want the gory details, their little intestines would squirted out & get me.) I wouldn't want to take them to the Humane Society, since they'd want money from
me just to do the same thing, but more expensively....& they'd whine for donations.
So....was this hypothetical solution:
1) Right
2) Wrong
3) Neither, but you'd do the same
4) Neither, but you'd do differently

Btw, I didn't enjoy it, but I don't feel bad about it either, since my plan was to minimize suffering.

Note: Edited for legal reasons.

I would have raised them as pets but that's just me.

A few years ago, i found a helpless baby bird with its two feet missing (In Lowe's where I was working). It looked like it suffered from some kind of serious trauma. I tried nursing it back to health, but I didn't expect it to live. After only one night it died, though I suspect that I did not provide enough heat for its body.

If it lived I would have tried to raise it the best that I could.

 

[Venatoris]

Revoltingest,
It must suck for animals where you live. I have surrendered a number of stray dogs and cats that I have found either in the city or on my uncle's farm and never once have I been asked for money from the humane society. You don't pay to surrender an animal that isn''t registered to you as a pet. Food for thought the next time you find yourself reaching for the shovel.

 

[McBell]

Revoltingest,
It must suck for animals where you live. I have surrendered a number of stray dogs and cats that I have found either in the city or on my uncle's farm and never once have I been asked for money from the humane society. You don't pay to surrender an animal that isn''t registered to you as a pet. Food for thought the next time you find yourself reaching for the shovel.

Perhaps not in your little neck of hte woods, but I know that here in my neck of the woods you sure do pay $35 to drop off ANY animal, yours, mine, the neighbors, Gods....
And that is $35 PER animal you drop off.
So a litter of 5 kittens will cost someone here in my neck of the woods $175 to drop them off at the "Humane Shelter".

Luckily for us one of our neighbors recently got a pet boa constrictor.
So not only do we no longer have to pay the "Humane Shelter" $35 a pop, but we are helping the neighbor out.

 

[Madhuri]

I noticed somthing..'certainly I wouldnt let my customers car be soiled"..

You arent in rural..Its not a barn in the woods..It a place of your employment..

Love

Dallas

And I guess that changes everything. Let's hope that nobody finds a deserted (human) baby in a place of employment! What an inconvenience that would be...

 

[Kathryn]

Well, Revoltingest, I wouldn't have done that myself. I would have raised them and then placed an ad in the paper to give them away when they were 6 or 8 weeks old. Those that I couldn't give away, I would have either kept or taken to the Humane Society. But that's just me.

My brother once found two puppies who were in bad shape - mange, scrawny, and there was something really wrong with all of their paws. They were festering some kind of way. Anyway, he fed each of them a nice little meal and petted on them and then shot each of them once in the head. Though it was hard for him, and hard for us as well, I think he did the right thing.

The shovel doesn't sound as humane as one bullet to the head though.

 

[Revoltingest]

The shovel doesn't sound as humane as one bullet to the head though.

It ain't about how it sounds, but rather how it feels to the critters. Shooting? How barbaric!
I say a humane death is a quick, certain & painless one, regardless of the chosen implement.
But deer don't have it quite so easy around here. Death by bow & arrow is much chancier & slower.
And then they suffer the indignity of being turned into steak, hamburger & sausage.

 

[Venatoris]

Perhaps not in your little neck of hte woods, but I know that here in my neck of the woods you sure do pay $35 to drop off ANY animal, yours, mine, the neighbors, Gods....
And that is $35 PER animal you drop off.
So a litter of 5 kittens will cost someone here in my neck of the woods $175 to drop them off at the "Humane Shelter".

That's sad and disturbing. Kinda defeats the purpose of a humane shelter if you ask me.

 

[Madhuri]

I'll concede this Revoltingest, what you did was still far more humane than what the meat, fur, skin etc. industries are responsible for. The kind of suffering and killing that humans all over the world contribute to on a daily basis makes your action seem insignificant in comparison.

 

[McBell]

That's sad and disturbing. Kinda defeats the purpose of a humane shelter if you ask me.

To a degree I agree.
However, any organization that relies upon donations that does not get enough donations to pay the bills....

Then when you consider that they charge you $80 to adopt an animal...
Of course, said animal will have had all its shots, been fixed, dewormed, etc.