I kill kittens.

[Erebus]

Personally I would have handed them to a shelter (or the RSPCA here in the UK) on the off chance they could be given a home. If they were injured and suffering then the shovel is IMO the best thing to do (I'm also very much for human Euthanasia in cases where a person has no chance of recovery and would prefer a quick death).

Though I didn't grow up on a farm, I've lived in a farming area for the past 10 years (except when I'm at university during term time) which may have made me a little less squeemish about animal deaths, but I still would prefer them to have a chance, no matter how small.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I had to come back to congratulate you on that pun!
My worthless (well....1 point) frubals to you, you rascal...."beaten to death"....hah!

:takeabow:

 

[DallasApple]

I sympathize. We had a cat (Bender) with cardiomyopathy. He got worse & worse, & eventually
lost the use of his hind legs. We had a vet put him down cuz he was suffering so.

(((HUGS)))

I was carrying Mama kitty back and forth to the litter box to go to the bathroom for months...And yes it was her hind legs..I believe her hips.

Anyway I kill cats too.

Love

Dallas

 

[silence]

I was pretty shocked reading this.

My answer is you did the wrong thing, it was cruel and unnecessary. If i had a baby son and i didn't want him. I wouldn't think to myself hmm he won't survive on his own so lets wack a shuffle over his head, i would get him to a new family, which should have been the same solution for these kittens.

Let's be thankful there is no God, because you wouldn't be in his good books

 

[DallasApple]

Yes, but we've a glut of kittens, & the end result would've been the same....except that more money &
fuel would've been spent. If I could've found'm a new home, I'd have taken that step.

I wonder how many of us grew up on/around farms, & how that colors our perception of killing animals?

Here is the deal..IMHO..TAKE the adults (as you find them" )to the pound..As a matter of fact did you only kill the kittens?

If you ALLOW the adult cats to live on your property and continue to breed and then beat the kittens to death with a shovel then you havent solved anything.

Love

Dallas

 

[McBell]

I kill 17 year old cats with arthritis .

Love

Dallas

Um...
How did you give the cats arthritis?

 

[DallasApple]

Um...
How did you give the cats arthritis?

I didnt..they just got it..and so did one of my dogs..But I had them uethenized..and another one for cancer and ....so on and so on..

Love

Dallas

 

[Revoltingest]

Here is the deal..IMHO..TAKE the adults (as you find them" )to the pound..As a matter of fact did you only kill the kittens?

If you ALLOW the adult cats to live on your property and continue to breed and then beat the kittens to death with a shovel then you havent solved anything.

No adult cats were killed.
Feral cats come & go as they please...just like deer, whistle pigs, turkey vultures & mice.
I don't feed or house them & have no control over their reproduction.

 

[DallasApple]

No adult cats were killed.
Feral cats come & go...just like deer, whistle pigs, turkey vultures & mice. I don't feed them & have no control over them.

Feral cats dont have kittens in barns and leave..They stick around..Put out cat traps and catch the adults..Mother cats dont leave their kittens "by choice" untill they are about 6 weeks old...Those kitten had been breast fed..BY the ADULT mother..The mother didnt just plop them out and walk out..I can guarantee you unless she has died of diesease she is still there..and probably pregnant..Another litter for her to have and you can beat to death with a shovel.

Get rid of the adults and you will have no dilema over beating to death kittens..(or at least a lot less likely)

They are coming close enough to be in your barn and in an old car of yours..So they are around..

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

No adult cats were killed.
Feral cats come & go as they please...just like deer, whistle pigs, turkey vultures & mice.
I don't feed or house them & have no control over their reproduction.

Yes you do..You beat to death the kittens..Which is certaintly you having "control" over their reporduction..Those kittens will never have kittens..Thats "control" ..Now take the trouble to capture any adults and beat them to death ..So less kittens to be born to be beaten to death..

Get to the SOURCE//

Love

Dallas

 

[Scuba Pete]

Get rid of the adults and you will have no dilema over beating to death kittens.

I don't think there was any dilemma about killing the kittens.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes you do..You beat to death the kittens..Which is certaintly you having "control" over their reporduction....

That's one way to look at it.

...Now take the trouble to capture any adults and beat them to death.....

Easier said than done.

 

[DallasApple]

I don't think there was any dilemma about killing the kittens.

Oh..:sad4:

Love

dallas

(P.S HEY Scuba!)

 

[DallasApple]

That's one way to look at it.



Easier said than done.

You're right..Its easier to beat kttins to death with a shovel..Never mind..I shouldnt have metioned the OPTIONS you have..which are more diffcult and you might have to go out of your way..

Love

Dallas

 

[Scuba Pete]

Easier said than done.

And not nearly as revolting. It's obvious that you didn't have the kittens' best interest at heart when you shoveled them to death. It is my guess that you don't want to take away the source of the kittens, lest you be deprived of your morbid fun and frolic. That morbidity extends itself in this thread, where your stated intent is to "ruffle feathers". You've managed to upset some people already, and I am posting this as a warning to others who might want to engage you over this.

In The Art of Trolling, published on the web, it is suggested that in Usenet usage, a "troll" is not a grumpy monster that lives beneath a bridge accosting passers by, but rather a provocative posting to a news group intended to produce a large volume of frivolous responses. The content of a "troll" posting generally falls into several areas. It may consist of an apparently foolish contradiction or common knowledge, a deliberately offensive insult to the readers of the news group or a broad request for trivial follow-up postings

 

[Revoltingest]

It's obvious that you didn't have the kittens' best interest at heart when you shoveled them to death. It is my guess that you don't want to take away the source of the kittens, lest you be deprived of your morbid fun and frolic.

Fun? You think executing kittens is fun? It speaks volumes about you that this motive popped into your mind.

....I am posting this as a warning to others who might want to engage you over this.

Yes, yes...heaven forbid that people get a little upset discussing difficult subjects with larger implications.
If you bothered to read all the posts here, you'd find that some have posted thoughtful & interesting responses...hardly trollery.
I suggest that you try living up to that religion of "Tolerance" which you proffer in your profile.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Fun? You think executing kittens is fun? It speaks volumes about you that this motive popped into your mind.

I thought you would deny it, but you would rather try to put it back on me as my problem. Yet, I didn't kill the kittens and then try to justify it to the world. Your words have suggested that you show absolutely no remorse and your initial post infers that your design was to be, how shall I say it, as "revoltingest" as possible. So your own words have caused us to question your motive. Note again that you have not denied that you had fun doing this. As I pointed out: you have tried to put it back on me instead.

Yes, yes...heaven forbid that people get a little upset discussing difficult subjects with larger implications.

You seem upset right now with the obvious implications I have presented. Why is that? Were your feathers ruffled a bit? You seem to be comfortable with questioning others' attitudes, but not yours. Why the double standard? That you would not answer my earlier points directly, but resorted to attack/defense mode is what speaks volumes.

As for tolerance: I would have let the kittens live as I don't have a God complex.

I am not against killing animals for good reason. Heck, I hunt underwater and I know that all things feel pain, even when you pierce the brain or brain stem. They might not be able to move or cry in agony, but they feel pain. Consequently, I only hunt for food and shoot only the fish I will eat. When I hunt lobster, I let the pregnant females go so as to not diminish the species unduly. I even have fun when I hunt, but I don't allow my baser desires to kill just because I can control me. We call this ethics.

What you don't find me doing is trying to get a rise out of people over my hunting. Nope, you won't find me trying to ruffle feathers in order to revel in the aftermath. Again, your initial post indicates this as your primary reason for starting the thread. I have seen you upset at least three people and I wonder if you got the same smug satisfaction out of shoveling those kittens to death? It's a question that I bet a number of the folks here would like answered.

 

[bain-druie]

I know I'm sort of jumping in to an already established discussion, but if I may... it's my impression that Revoltingest's OP was facetious in certain aspects, given what followed and a general impression of his intent from all the posts I've read. I believe this is an honest topic, but he was aware of how it would make people feel from the outset, and so did not try to sugar-coat anything. I can respect that!

Whether I'm right or not, what is certain is that while it is just and necessary to judge a person's words or actions, it is not at all fruitful to try to judge their motives or thoughts. It is arrogance to assume we know another's real motives; I know I hate when people tell me what my thoughts and attitudes supposedly are. So perhaps it is best to confine our judgments and debating to things that are fair game.

AS to the OP: I probably would not have killed the kittens, but I do understand the dilemma. (I live on a farm.) The methodology is upsetting to think about, but pragmatically speaking, if with one blow you severed the spinal column and took out the nervous system, it was in fact relatively painless.

I do think that farm living makes a difference to how people in Western cultures are inclined to view death, but I think it is a result of a larger cultural issue. Christian influence on the culture (which has been good and bad, I'm not deliberately singling out Christians to pick on, as if they were kittens ) has tended to result in a divorce from nature that I view as detrimental to us all in many ways. As medicine grew into not only a science but an industry, expensive 'sterile' ways of doing things became universally encouraged. Dirt is frowned upon, sex is 'not nice', blood must be instantly cleaned up and all traces removed, death is a shadowy, fearsome figure that we hope will stay away if we ignore it.

Real life on this planet is simply not like that. Farms remain the one place within civilized Western society that human beings retain a sense of perspective about death and life and rebirth, because it's all right there. On a farm, you have to make choices about the life and death of other living things; and in every one of those choices you deal with the fact, subconsciously or not, that one day it will be your turn. When it is, how would you prefer it to go down?

I can see this thought pattern in the OP, I think. There is a preference for a death that is fast, painless, and expedient; probably that's what we all prefer. Dying is *much* more frightening than Death, for most of us.

The main difference of thought in this thread, as far as I can see, is that using a shovel to bludgeon a kitten to death becomes in most western minds morally repugnant simply because of the violence entailed in the act. Violence need not be vicious, however; earth Mother is very violent at times, but she is not vicious.

My two cents!

 

[Herr Heinrich]

If you believed it was the right thing to do for those kittens then it was. I wouldn't have been of able to kill them myself, but I don't like to kill anything. I would have brought them somewhere. Again mostly because I wouldn't be able to stomach it myself.
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[Revoltingest]

I thought you would deny it, but you would rather try to put it back on me as my problem.

You're the guy who had the concept of "fun" pop into his head. I don't find putting down animals fun, but it is sometimes the course I choose.

You seem upset right now with the obvious implications I have presented.

I'm fine. Your "implications" strike me as just some pompously pious guy itching for a flame war. I won't participate. I'm not even offended.

....I hunt underwater and I know that all things feel pain, even when you pierce the brain or brain stem.

Is that hypocrisy (with a faint seafoody quality) I smell?