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I swear to god that i'm a non believer

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?
Or, theists understand what atheists do not believe.
While some atheists are certain no thing called deity is cause for all that is, they're unable to explain with an absolute that would sustain skepticism toward the theist pov what did cause all that is to become present in their visual conscious awareness of that which occupies the material realm.

And the defensive posture that will often arrive to rebut that observation being, one cannot be asked to prove a negative, is precisely what the atheistic perspective consists of.
That declaration in the midst of all that exists in the material realm, that there is no evidence a deity made it to occur.
But the material realm is present in our conscious awareness in the observable universe. And upon our terrestrial field.
Therefore, the absolute declaration that there is no evidence something unseen created what is seen is as vacant as is the atheists most favored discipline, science, in its attempt at explanation. Often called, the big bang theory.
But what is oft overlooked?

What caused something to form that would be able to go "bang" in the first place?
No absolutes as answer as yet.
The atheist prefers scientific theory to theistic faith.

And that's what makes some atheists believe themselves to be mentally superior to theists.


I apologize I have a hard time following your thinking. But what I glean from what I can is that you are saying there is no evidence of deities and we do not know as of yet, the beginning or continuation of the universes (s). Science does not claim to know that. Science correctly states it does not know yet. The only people who claim to know are theists. But not one person so far out of the tens of thousands of years of various worshipped gods, has been able to provide evidence or proof of their positive claims of knowing gods did it.
 

TheresOnlyNow

The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think
I apologize I have a hard time following your thinking. But what I glean from what I can is that you are saying there is no evidence of deities and we do not know as of yet, the beginning or continuation of the universes (s). Science does not claim to know that. Science correctly states it does not know yet. The only people who claim to know are theists. But not one person so far out of the tens of thousands of years of various worshipped gods, has been able to provide evidence or proof of their positive claims of knowing gods did it.
This is the thing. Science has no absolute as pertains to first cause, or that which made all things come into being, to put it simply. They have theory.
That is not a structure that is able to refute faith. Faith is not an absolute, by its definition.

Theory cannot believe itself to trump faith because regardless of the deity quotient (as pertains to faith), neither camp can claim absolute conclusive answer to first cause.
Ergo, it is a contest of our I dunno vs. your camp of I dunno.

Because science to this moment has not arrived at a conclusive finding as to first cause.
 

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?
This is the thing. Science has no absolute as pertains to first cause, or that which made all things come into being, to put it simply. They have theory.
That is not a structure that is able to refute faith. Faith is not an absolute, by its definition.

Theory cannot believe itself to trump faith because regardless of the deity quotient (as pertains to faith), neither camp can claim absolute conclusive answer to first cause.
Ergo, it is a contest of our I dunno vs. your camp of I dunno.

Because science to this moment has not arrived at a conclusive finding as to first cause.


Well I'd say you are on the short list of theists who admit or believe they don't know. Most Do "know".

Science has nothing to do with faith. Like atheists, it's not interested. Faith is just faith and serves no purpose for anything other than the being something the faithful need.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
It is for us humans to tackle evil because as Creator and Preserver God cannot judge who is evil and who is pious. If you tackle evil by seeking refuge in God see whether God comes to help you in tackling evil.

That is, naturally, assuming there is either a creator or a preserver.

There is little rational reason to think so, neither is the a rational reason to believe in gods.

Thus? Pious? Becomes meaningless.

Oh, and FIVE chances to show me something discovered/invented by faith alone.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
That is, naturally, assuming there is either a creator or a preserver.

There is little rational reason to think so, neither is the a rational reason to believe in gods.

Thus? Pious? Becomes meaningless.

Oh, and FIVE chances to show me something discovered/invented by faith alone.
How does it matter whether there is a God or not: we still have to deal with evil if there is evil. What is your proof that there is evil?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I lost my cherished Bible some years back where I read: if you follow me you will be persecuted.

Surely that does not mean the abrahamic god doing the persecuting but the bible is open to as many interpretations as there are people reading it
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You prefer massage theory.

What created that which was to go "bang"?

Whatever theory thinks fits the evidence (and mathematics)

Perhaps you did not read the post you replied to. I quote :-

"In actual fact no first cause is required because the laws of thermodynamics did not begin to coalesce until after the bb"

In this universe this is fact. That is not to say it is the only option. Various hypothesis offer different options, quantum membranes, colliding or budding universes, leaking dimensions and more.

But to ask what is the same as asking how god does god magic... Do you know?
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Surely that does not mean the abrahamic god doing the persecuting but the bible is open to as many interpretations as there are people reading it
It is still appropriate advice to be an atheist because to all intents and purposes, God does not deal with human beings for their salvation. This is the impression I got from my years of association with God so much so that I was diagnosed as clinical sufferer of persistent delusional disorder for which I am exploring Buddhism now.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It is still appropriate advice to be an atheist because to all intents and purposes, God does not deal with human beings for their salvation. This is the impression I got from my years of association with God so much so that I was diagnosed as clinical sufferer of persistent delusional disorder for which I am exploring Buddhism now.

That is contradictory.

Be an atheists because god is....

Just does not make sense from the atheists viewpoint.

Which is of course why i created this thread in the first place
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
That is contradictory.

Be an atheists because god is....

Just does not make sense from the atheists viewpoint.

Which is of course why i created this thread in the first place
I do not know the mind of God: I only ask him specific questions that I cannot answer myself. He may reject the question or answer it. Depends on Him. I am unconcerned as long as remain on my truth path of satya-advaita (truth search and truth accommodation).
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I do not know the mind of God: I only ask him specific questions that I cannot answer myself. He may reject the question or answer it. Depends on Him. I am unconcerned as long as remain on my truth path of satya-advaita (truth search and truth accommodation).

That is your belief.

But i do wish people world not use the word truth to mean faith. Language is confusing enough without bending definitions so suite belief
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I offered the Mental Health authorities access to my Diaries which contain such information.


Cool, i have a relative suffering severe mental health problems. Unlike you he is in denial of his illness which is very stressful for all concerned.

I commend you.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
That is your belief.

But i do wish people world not use the word truth to mean faith. Language is confusing enough without bending definitions so suite belief
The only faith I have is faith in truth to be my 'salvation': liberation or moksha in Hinduism both in the material sphere and in the spiritual sphere.
 
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