Kalki is unique to Vaishnavism, one Hindu sect. Lots of Hindus, like me, don't believe in Kalki at all.
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Identical symbolism in Non-Abrahami and Abrahamic Scriptures
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Kalki is unique to Vaishnavism, one Hindu sect. Lots of Hindus, like me, don't believe in Kalki at all.
InvestigateTruth
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People of the world has always hoped for a Saviour, to come and bring justice. But this saviour coming down with a white horse, is a very specific way of describing it. Moreover, it is not only this similarity. When you read, the scriptures of Abrahamic and Non-abrahamic Eschatology you would see identical symbolism. For example, they all describe a time, when there will be storm, and flood. Then after ward, the world is renewed.
InvestigateTruth
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Right, how would people know which Hindu sect is true? But even in you particular sect, there are Eschatology prophecies, which includes a storm and flood, and finally a renewal and a new life coming to the world. This is also seen in Zorastrianism and Abrahamic religions.
There is no truth. There is only belief. There are no prophecies of that nature in my sect/sampradaya. But of course you would know more than I would about it. The only prophecy in my sect is that all souls, without exception will one day attain moksha. Certainly no storm or flood.
ManSinha
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ManSinha
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Yes it is - and think about it - the horse was an animal used to ride into battle until the last century. White is always used as a synonym for "The Light" or "Good" - put those ideas together and then generation of similar thoughts in minds of individuals not directly connected to each other does not seem that far fetched.
'Merge' is such a nice term for this. Did you know that one of my sampradaya's main texts is called 'Merging with Siva'?
ManSinha
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At the risk of hijacking @InvestigateTruth 's thread - Siva or Shiva is eternally fascinating as far as I am concerned
There is one part of the trinity - the destroyer - the all time best Weapons Master nonpareil
But then there is also the Brahman from which everything else springs - the one that Guru Gobind Singh refers to as Mahakaal
The 'trinity' is western encyclopedia nonsense, looking for some comparison to the trinity in Abrahamism. (Wonder where we've seen that before/) Siva is God. There is no destroyer in Hinduism. Dissolution, sure. Parasivam is Parabrahman. For Vaishnavites, Vishnu is God.
Which supports we all come from the one Creator and that we are all one people. A reply made to @Vinayaka in another post.
Regards Tony
It in no way supports the concept of 'creation'. Do rain clouds create droplets? Does a fire create sparks? Does the sun create light? Very different paradigms, very different concepts. Monism versus dualism.
That's a huge jump. 'Quickening' (Not something I believe in) is the same as merging? A dog is the same as a bilva leaf too.
Just because you say something doesn't make it true. All it means is you said something. Nothing more, nothing else.
ManSinha
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It supports "Identical symbolism in Non-Abrahamic and Abrahamic Scriptures"
The more we search for this, the more we find. But it stands to reason if we do not undertake a search, it can not be found.
Regards Tony
If you don't search, you won't find differences either. Very different paradigms. Quickening does not mean merging, but you're free to think it does.
The OP was entirely from Baha'i sources, as usual. It would be good to use something besides the very biased Baha'i sources once in awhile.
I did not say Quickening means Merging, it is you that has seen that, in what was offered and I have no idea why you have seen it that way.
The Quran offers this;
"It is to those who believe a guide and a medicine; but as to those who believe not, there is a thickness in their ears, and to them it is a blindness." (41:44)
Regards Tony
That also has nothing to do with the OP? Did you read the OP?
I see the Quran is quite insulting to non-believers, calling them deaf and blind. Maybe that's where your prophet got a lot of his insulting nature. But really, calling others deaf and blind probably isn't that great for harmony on this planet. Just a guess.
The main aspect of the OP is the word 'quickening' which of course is only common in English. It's a translated word from several different languages. In my faith, one of our scholars, Rajiv Malhotra, has suggested (perhaps he already did it) he make a list of 100 most commonly mistranslated Sanskrit words. So just becaue some translators, (maybe only one or two) happened to use the same word for some concepts, in no way means it's always the same thing.
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Firemorphic
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If you truly understand Dharma, and you truly understand Maya, and you truly understand Shiva, then his quote would make complete sense and you would not be responding to Tony in such a way.
Also, "Non-believers" is not referring to prescribing to a "religion".
Thanks but no thanks. It's enough to have the Baha'i explaining my religion to me.
But maybe I don't understand the quote either. Can you explain it to me?