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Identical symbolism in Non-Abrahami and Abrahamic Scriptures

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
We should all see through our own eyes. If most people do not agree that there are identical expressions in the scriptures of great religions, it is not very seeming that we merely also go by the majority. We should see it through our own eyes. How many times the majority had it wrong. Sigh...

These similarities are not just one or two or three.
Consider in Both Hindu and Christian Scriptures, it is written that the Promised One, the Lord comes down on a White Horse! How can we ignore such specific symbolic similarities in religions that are thousands of years and miles apart? Some may say, they copied from each other, a claim without evidence. Moreover, the ancient world was not really connected to each other with internet, or other communication way, so, they can just copy some expressions.
And I suppose you have a way to show how Baha'u'llah came on a "symbolic" white horse. The symbolism of a white horse was also in many early cowboy movies. A black hat versus a white hat was also very common, which shows all cowboy movies are one.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
You cannot replace just one symbol, in a sentence. You would have just see what the whole sentence is saying.
Then why didn't you do that? All you did was make an allegation ...
In addition to teaching identical morality, There are very specific and Rare Symbolic Expressions, which is found only in the Scriptures of Great Religions.
To support that allegation you posted a series of quotes from different religions all containing the word "quicken". Carefully reading the quotes showed that all the religions had different meanings for the word "quicken. You own examples give lie to your allegation.

As I previously posted...
So, in reality, the word "quicken" does nothing to tie together various different religions.




Let me give you an example. ... your face is as bright as the moon...

You didn't need to give an example. Your words in the OP speak for themselves.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
People of the world has always hoped for a Saviour, to come and bring justice.
No. People following many religions have been told a savior was coming to take them away from their wretched lives. Furthermore, they were told, if the savior did not come before they died, they would be escorted into heaven or another life or whatever.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
And I suppose you have a way to show how Baha'u'llah came on a "symbolic" white horse. The symbolism of a white horse was also in many early cowboy movies. A black hat versus a white hat was also very common, which shows all cowboy movies are one.
Hiho, Silver! Away!
 

ManSinha

Well-Known Member
Hiho, Silver! Away!
White horse, silver bullets - hmmmmmm
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CG Didymus

Veteran Member
People of the world has always hoped for a Saviour, to come and bring justice. But this saviour coming down with a white horse, is a very specific way of describing it. Moreover, it is not only this similarity. When you read, the scriptures of Abrahamic and Non-abrahamic Eschatology you would see identical symbolism. For example, they all describe a time, when there will be storm, and flood. Then after ward, the world is renewed.
Has the world been renewed? No, almost 200 years of more storms and floods. At best, it's heading towards a major disaster and then maybe a renewal. And then, who is the "Savior"? The Bab or Baha'u'llah? All I ever hear is "1844" but that was not Baha'u'llah. Why isn't his declaration day not the one that is the most prominent? Why isn't that day the one prophesied about?
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
Has the world been renewed? No, almost 200 years of more storms and floods. At best, it's heading towards a major disaster and then maybe a renewal. And then, who is the "Savior"? The Bab or Baha'u'llah? All I ever hear is "1844" but that was not Baha'u'llah. Why isn't his declaration day not the one that is the most prominent? Why isn't that day the one prophesied about?
Year 1844 is important, because, it is the beginning of the new revelation. It began by the Bab...
Yes, the world is renewed, because if you look at history, since 19th century, a new age has come.
But renewing the world is not the same promise as establishment of a world peace. Those are two separate prophecies in the Bible.
Now, there is no where in the Bible that says, as soon as promised One comes, all the things magically will be perfect.
But this is what Bible says:


"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

So, according to these verses, when Christ returns, same thing that happened in Noah time will happen! When Noah came, the flood happened more than hundred years. It took Him just 120 years to build the Ark. People were not save immediately. So, is with the time of Christ return. We are now at a time of flood.
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
And I suppose you have a way to show how Baha'u'llah came on a "symbolic" white horse. The symbolism of a white horse was also in many early cowboy movies. A black hat versus a white hat was also very common, which shows all cowboy movies are one.
And also @ManSinha.

Mythology is different than symbolism of Scriptures.
Characters such as Zoro or Supperman, are mythology. The author of these stories did not intend to relay hidden or spiritual truth by writing these stories. They wrote then for amazement. (Nice stories by the way!)
But the Author of the Holy Books, wrote the symbolic expressions to relay an inner meaning which is hidden from the eyes of ordinary men. With those symbolic expressions, They prophesied of future Spiritual conditions of humanity.
Only God Himself can reveal their hidden meanings. As regards to your question, how did Bahaullah fulfil prophecy of 'Christ or Krishna on a white horse', I am unable to tell you its interpretation, as I did not receive inspiration from God. But Abdulbaha did! He wrote that 'white horse' symbolizes the physical body of the Manifestation of God, and the One who rides on Horse, symbolizes Spirit of God. So, the human body of Bahaullah, was represented by the white horse, whereas the Spiritual power of Bahaullah, represented as the one who rides the horse.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
And also @ManSinha.

Mythology is different than symbolism of Scriptures.
Characters such as Zoro or Supperman, are mythology. The author of these stories did not intend to relay hidden or spiritual truth by writing these stories. They wrote then for amazement. (Nice stories by the way!)
But the Author of the Holy Books, wrote the symbolic expressions to relay an inner meaning which is hidden from the eyes of ordinary men. With those symbolic expressions, They prophesied of future Spiritual conditions of humanity.
Only God Himself can reveal their hidden meanings. As regards to your question, how did Bahaullah fulfil prophecy of 'Christ or Krishna on a white horse', I am unable to tell you its interpretation, as I did not receive inspiration from God. But Abdulbaha did! He wrote that 'white horse' symbolizes the physical body of the Manifestation of God, and the One who rides on Horse, symbolizes Spirit of God. So, the human body of Bahaullah, was represented by the white horse, whereas the Spiritual power of Bahaullah, represented as the one who rides the horse.

Krishna and Christ were on white horses? Not sure if Christians or Hindus would agree.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
No. It supports the idea that many different peoples created many different gods (in their own image) and imagined many different creation stories.
Since the creation stories and the religions of different people and cultures are so varied, I agree, it seems more likely that people made up their religion and their gods, rather than one source, one God, telling different people the "truth" that he wanted them to know.

And, in their own way, Baha'is kind of agree. They say that God, through a messenger, gave the people the teachings, then people distorted them by misinterpreting those original teachings and by adding traditions. And what are misinterpretation and traditions? Things that people made up.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Characters such as Zoro or Supperman, are mythology.
Zorro and Superman are fictional characters created by men with the intention of providing entertainment.

Atlas, Moses, David and Goliath are mythological characters whose origins are lost in time.

Mythological characters are also fictional but their origins and purpose are quite different.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
And also @ManSinha.

Mythology is different than symbolism of Scriptures.
Characters such as Zoro or Supperman, are mythology. The author of these stories did not intend to relay hidden or spiritual truth by writing these stories. They wrote then for amazement. (Nice stories by the way!)
But the Author of the Holy Books, wrote the symbolic expressions to relay an inner meaning which is hidden from the eyes of ordinary men. With those symbolic expressions, They prophesied of future Spiritual conditions of humanity.
Only God Himself can reveal their hidden meanings. As regards to your question, how did Bahaullah fulfil prophecy of 'Christ or Krishna on a white horse', I am unable to tell you its interpretation, as I did not receive inspiration from God. But Abdulbaha did! He wrote that 'white horse' symbolizes the physical body of the Manifestation of God, and the One who rides on Horse, symbolizes Spirit of God. So, the human body of Bahaullah, was represented by the white horse, whereas the Spiritual power of Bahaullah, represented as the one who rides the horse.

Moses - one person receiving "inspiration from God"
Christ - one person receiving "inspiration from God"
Muhammed - one person receiving "inspiration from God"

Abdulbaha, The Bab, Bahaullah - all these people receiving "inspiration from God".

All providing different versions of the essences of god. It's almost as though they were all talking about different gods.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Since the creation stories and the religions of different people and cultures are so varied, I agree, it seems more likely that people made up their religion and their gods, rather than one source, one God, telling different people the "truth" that he wanted them to know.

And, in their own way, Baha'is kind of agree. They say that God, through a messenger, gave the people the teachings, then people distorted them by misinterpreting those original teachings and by adding traditions. And what are misinterpretation and traditions? Things that people made up.
See post #76 above.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
And also @ManSinha.

Mythology is different than symbolism of Scriptures.
Characters such as Zoro or Supperman, are mythology. The author of these stories did not intend to relay hidden or spiritual truth by writing these stories. They wrote then for amazement. (Nice stories by the way!)
But the Author of the Holy Books, wrote the symbolic expressions to relay an inner meaning which is hidden from the eyes of ordinary men. With those symbolic expressions, They prophesied of future Spiritual conditions of humanity.
Only God Himself can reveal their hidden meanings. As regards to your question, how did Bahaullah fulfil prophecy of 'Christ or Krishna on a white horse', I am unable to tell you its interpretation, as I did not receive inspiration from God. But Abdulbaha did! He wrote that 'white horse' symbolizes the physical body of the Manifestation of God, and the One who rides on Horse, symbolizes Spirit of God. So, the human body of Bahaullah, was represented by the white horse, whereas the Spiritual power of Bahaullah, represented as the one who rides the horse.
There is mythical gods and then there is fictional characters in comic books and movies. Next, the "Author", I assume you mean God, wrote symbolic expressions you say to relay inner meanings. But, then you say only God can reveal those hidden meanings. And when is that? Now? With Baha'u'llah? That the true meanings were hidden for hundreds and even thousands of years?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Year 1844 is important, because, it is the beginning of the new revelation. It began by the Bab...
Yes, the world is renewed, because if you look at history, since 19th century, a new age has come.
But renewing the world is not the same promise as establishment of a world peace. Those are two separate prophecies in the Bible.
Now, there is no where in the Bible that says, as soon as promised One comes, all the things magically will be perfect.
But this is what Bible says:


"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

So, according to these verses, when Christ returns, same thing that happened in Noah time will happen! When Noah came, the flood happened more than hundred years. It took Him just 120 years to build the Ark. People were not save immediately. So, is with the time of Christ return. We are now at a time of flood.
Here you act as if the Flood and the Ark were real. But, other times you say they were symbolic. So which is it?

The other problem... 1844. That is supposedly the "return of Christ". But, Baha'is have three returns of Christ, Muhammad, and then the "twin manifestations" of The Bab and Baha'u'llah. Which one is the most important "return"? Shouldn't it be Baha'u'llah. But where are all the prophecies that tell of the day Baha'u'llah declared himself? Wasn't it 1863? Why don't you ever talk of the significance of that date? And show all the prophecies that point to it?
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Moses - one person receiving "inspiration from God"
Christ - one person receiving "inspiration from God"
Muhammed - one person receiving "inspiration from God"

Abdulbaha, The Bab, Bahaullah - all these people receiving "inspiration from God".

All providing different versions of the essences of god. It's almost as though they were all talking about different gods.
How much fiction and mythology are added in to the stories of these people? Baha'is act as if God was the author, but did Moses and Jesus write anything? Even if they say that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, who wrote the rest? Conveniently, with the New Testament, Baha'is can say that his followers, that were not necessarily eyewitnesses, wrote it. Other times, they can quote things that allegedly were said and taught by Jesus as absolute truth. But, anything that doesn't fit with their beliefs, like Satan and the resurrection, are not fictional or myth, but are symbolic. That way they can say that God inspired these people to write fictional stories, that had some mystical, hidden meaning. And, of course, one the Baha'is know what the hidden meaning is. And they can do this with all the religions. So the only thing that is true and right about any religion is what Baha'is say is true and right about them.
 
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