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IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

rosends

Well-Known Member
The point was to show you how
a loaded question works.
And the response was to show you that when your premises are wrong, your loaded question fails.
It appears that I'm far more aware of
what's presented in the news than
you are.
maybe to you it appears that way.
Arab, Muslim, Palestinian come to mind.
At least one of those isn't an ethnicity. Possibly 2. In fact, all, depending on the definition you chose, could be invalidated as ethnicities.
Religion, ie, Israel's disdain for Muslims.
You decided that "religion" is in the etc how? By what standard did you come to that decision -- it is intrinsically different from the examples provided already. And Israel's disdain for Muslims? LOL. Then you know nothing about living in Israel.
Does this mean that you approve of all
that Israel does to Muslims & Palestinians?
Now that's a loaded question.
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
Wanna go according to UN?
not the UN...the opinion of Lynk.


the UN as a whole is no better
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Yes, the UN lies. The UN has a history of an unbalanced, double standard agenda against Israel. Since the rebirth of the nation of Israel, neighboring countries and groups have continuously launched surprise attacks against Israel; militarily and most often against civilians. Yet, the UN has spent well over a third of its time voting AGAINST Israel. A tiny nation with one 1,000th of the world’s population has received the most focus of the United Nations’ time and more resolutions are passed against Israel than any other country, despite the many, many atrocities going on elsewhere. Why? Because antisemitism permeates this world, including the UN.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
And I've heard the same chilling rhetoric from Israelis about Palestinians/Gaza not existing. The endless whataboutism is not productive.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

The path forward will not be easy, but it needs to happen.
Okay, again I am wondering or asking you, how do you make peace with those who want to annihilate you. What is the path forward in this situation?
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Okay, again I am wondering or asking you, how do you make peace with those who want to annihilate you. What is the path forward in this situation?
What was the path forward between the IRA and England? Negotiation. Everyone thought that situation was hopeless, too.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Yes, the UN lies. The UN has a history of an unbalanced, double standard agenda against Israel. Since the rebirth of the nation of Israel, neighboring countries and groups have continuously launched surprise attacks against Israel; militarily and most often against civilians. Yet, the UN has spent well over a third of its time voting AGAINST Israel. A tiny nation with one 1,000th of the world’s population has received the most focus of the United Nations’ time and more resolutions are passed against Israel than any other country, despite the many, many atrocities going on elsewhere. Why? Because antisemitism permeates this world, including the UN.
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
What was the path forward between the IRA and England? Negotiation. Everyone thought that situation was hopeless, too.
I’m not saying it’s hopeless. I think it’s different, though. I see this as a bigger spiritual battle because God chose Israel, not because Israel is better or favored, but for a special purpose on this earth.
The Bible reveals there will be peace; first a short-lived deceptive “peace” initiated by an antichrist political leader…then finally lasting peace brought to Israel and the world by the Prince of Peace; Jesus Christ.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I’m not saying it’s hopeless. I think it’s different, though. I see this as a bigger spiritual battle because God chose Israel, not because Israel is better or favored, but for a special purpose on this earth.
The Bible reveals there will be peace; first a short-lived deceptive “peace” initiated by an antichrist political leader…then finally lasting peace brought to Israel and the world by the Prince of Peace; Jesus Christ.
It is this kind of ridiculous thinking by fundamentalist Christians, Muslims and Jews about "special purpose" that is the cause of all this deaths and suffering going on in the Middle East.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
It is this kind of ridiculous thinking by fundamentalist Christians, Muslims and Jews about "special purpose" that is the cause of all this deaths and suffering going on in the Middle East.
No, it’s satanic inspired hatred that causes all the deaths and suffering.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't address Poland, nor specious
analogies, nor whataboutism.
You are now the proud winner of the Master of Poor Deflections Award™! And as I already stated the posed question is not some form of deflection on my part because I perfectly intend to return to Israel once you explain why your logic holds and can be applied consistently to any other hypothetical. Since you have been unwilling for over two years to examine the consistency of your logic with regards to Israel, I am forced to conclude that somewhere deep in your subconscious you are aware that your position is illogical.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
The IDF's spokesperson unit released an unedited single-shot tour of some areas of the al-Shifa hospital showing where weapons and other equipment belonging to Hamas were hidden.

Your video has been removed by the publisher.

In the UK we recently watched an IDF film that showed a few assault rifles and other stuff behind an MRI scanner in the locked MRI room. I just wondered what would have happened if the Magnetic Resonance scanner had been switched on.....is all.

And last night we watched an IDF film of a narrow/vertical shaft leading down to what was claimed to be a Hamas centre, but we were not shown any film of the area around the hole's entrance. Rather than a tiny entrance hole I was expecting an entrance which could be walked down and with impressive tunnels underneath, or a lift system for access.

So we will continue to wait for pictures of a real underground centre beneath a hospital......... I expect there will be such centres elsewhere, of course.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
How is “Orbit is a hypocrite therefore her views on the thread topic are invalid” any different? It’s still an ad hom, and it’s deflection away from the topic.
You are one of the members most arguing that Israel has committed and is committing war crimes. As explained above to @Yerda, any serious discussion of whether Israel has committed war crimes can only start after both sides have agreed that Israel is being held to a higher standard, otherwise anyone calling out Israel for war crimes is presenting a baseless accusation. Since you have been hypocritical on this topic, like thousands of people worldwide, if not millions or more, and have thus far failed to both admit that Israel is being held to a higher standard and to decry atrocities being committed worldwide, including other Middle Eastern and/or Muslim countries, your claims of Israel having committed war crimes are utterly meaningless. It doesn't matter how many reports you present claiming that Israel is an apartheid country and that it's been committing war crimes for decades. These sources are consistent in only two things: irrationally holding Israel to a higher standard than any other country in the world, and largely ignoring atrocities committed in other countries or by other political entities. You're welcome to continue to call this argument a deflection, but that is in itself a deflection away from the inconsistency of your logic.

I am perfectly open for an honest discussion regarding Israel's actions over the decades, but that is on condition that the person debating with me will be honest regarding international hypocrisy on Israel's methods in war time and daily life.

I've said my piece to you a few times now in different ways. If you once again reply to me with anything but willingness to admit the inconsistency applied to Israel, then I see no point in replying to you any further on this particular matter.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Your video has been removed by the publisher.
Strange. The video is still on the IDF's YT channel (and it's the same video, I checked). I edited in the new link. Here it is:
just wondered what would have happened if the Magnetic Resonance scanner had been switched on.....is all.
What would that have shown? I'm honestly asking.
And last night we watched an IDF film of a narrow/vertical shaft leading down to what was claimed to be a Hamas centre, but we were not shown any film of the area around the hole's entrance. Rather than a tiny entrance hole I was expecting an entrance which could be walked down and with impressive tunnels underneath, or a lift system for access.
Is this what you're talking about?
The question remains: do we have too high expectations of what terrorist bases look like?
So we will continue to wait for pictures of a real underground centre beneath a hospital......... I expect there will be such centres elsewhere, of course.
Yep.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Yes, the UN lies. The UN has a history of an unbalanced, double standard agenda against Israel. Since the rebirth of the nation of Israel, neighboring countries and groups have continuously launched surprise attacks against Israel; militarily and most often against civilians. Yet, the UN has spent well over a third of its time voting AGAINST Israel. A tiny nation with one 1,000th of the world’s population has received the most focus of the United Nations’ time and more resolutions are passed against Israel than any other country, despite the many, many atrocities going on elsewhere. Why? Because antisemitism permeates this world, including the UN.
The UN created israel
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Strange. The video is still on the IDF's YT channel (and it's the same video, I checked). I edited in the new link. Here it is:
OK..... a handful of firearms does not warrant destroying the whole city. Nor does it mean shooting the aid workers thru the windows.
The question remains: do we have too high expectations of what terrorist bases look like?
Yes....... Blowing up the city for a handful of terrorist is just wrong.

Now 2.5 million refugees have no place to survive.

Will israel move the palestinians back into israel? Perhaps give them the homes of the settlers that have been terrorizing the palestinians for the last few years.
 
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