IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

[Bthoth]

so youhave moved right into "irrelevant" territory.

I was saying thank you for confirming what I already knew. That israel does not mean Jews.
But like your response there, you lost the coherence

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No, it’s satanic inspired hatred that causes all the deaths and suffering.

You got that right. I'm shocked by the outpouring of dehumanizing hatred and genocidal rhetoric spewing from Zionists about the Palestinian people lately. It is surely evil.

‘Erase Gaza’: War Unleashes Incendiary Rhetoric in Israel

Experts say that inflammatory statements by prominent Israelis are normalizing ideas like the killing of civilians and mass deportations.

www.nytimes.com

Israel is clear about its intentions in Gaza – world leaders cannot plead ignorance of what is coming | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

The UN is warning of a ‘risk of genocide’ against Palestinians. Future pleas of ‘If I knew then what I know now’ will not cut it, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

amp.theguardian.com

The Rhetoric of War and Genocide Is on Display by US and Israeli Media | Common Dreams

The othering of the entire population of Gaza—alongside misleading rhetoric and incessantly one-sided coverage—has laid the groundwork for the uncritical demonization of Palestinians, a necessary prerequisite for dramatic violence against them.

www.commondreams.org

By the way, this is how the "chosen" treat your brothers and sisters in Christ. They spit on Christians, assault them, desecrate churches and cemetaries. The IDF and Israeli forces have have bombed churches, restricted Christian worship and killed Christians. For example, an IDF sniper murdered the popular Palestinian-American journalist, Shireen Abu Akleh, as she reported. They later violently disrupted her funeral and a few weeks ago, destroyed a memorial to her in Gaza! Where are her fellow Christians and their outrage? Where's the US government? I guess her life doesn't matter! Have fun supporting people who would spit on you and attack you. (On the other hand, there are Palestinian Christians and Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet. Judaism has a burning hatred of Christ.)

‘Death to Christians’: Violence steps up under new Israeli gov’t

Christian leaders in Jerusalem say Israeli attackers felt more emboldened under the far-right ruling coalition.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[metis]

Yeah, I get it, war is hell, but what war have you heard of where over 12,000 have been murdered as vengeance for 1,200 and 220 hostages? Especially where half of the population being bombed are children?

Hamas started it well knowing that Israel will respond, so what should Israel do-- just let the Hamas rockets hit them and not respond in turn?

I'm outta here on this.

 

[metis]

There is no evidence of any rapes, and Islam forbids rape.

At least some were raped according to CNN.

 

[Revoltingest]

And the response was to show...

Nothing to respond to.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

At least some were raped according to CNN.

They're just reporting what Israeli officials say. They don't really have any physical proof and they've admitted that.

 

[Bthoth]

You got that right. I'm shocked by the outpouring of dehumanizing hatred and genocidal rhetoric spewing from Zionists about the Palestinian people lately. It is surely evil.

‘Erase Gaza’: War Unleashes Incendiary Rhetoric in Israel

Experts say that inflammatory statements by prominent Israelis are normalizing ideas like the killing of civilians and mass deportations.

www.nytimes.com

Israel is clear about its intentions in Gaza – world leaders cannot plead ignorance of what is coming | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

The UN is warning of a ‘risk of genocide’ against Palestinians. Future pleas of ‘If I knew then what I know now’ will not cut it, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

amp.theguardian.com

The Rhetoric of War and Genocide Is on Display by US and Israeli Media | Common Dreams

The othering of the entire population of Gaza—alongside misleading rhetoric and incessantly one-sided coverage—has laid the groundwork for the uncritical demonization of Palestinians, a necessary prerequisite for dramatic violence against them.

www.commondreams.org

By the way, this is how the "chosen" treat your brothers and sisters in Christ. Have fun supporting people who would spit on you. (On the other hand, there are Palestinian Christians and Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet. Judaism has a burning hatred of Christ.)

The arrogance is getting ugly. Since israel destroyed GAZA chasing a handful of terrorists, I am wondering if israel will do the same to stop the settlers that terrorize palestinians in the west bank?

The answer is no because israelis do not keep (enforce) laws that defend palestinians. Now the rhetoric is so bad, that even christian israelis are being attacked by the dross.

 

[Bthoth]

Hamas started it well knowing that Israel will respond, so what should Israel do-- just let the Hamas rockets hit them and not respond in turn?

I'm outta here on this.

Do you actually believe that HAMAS are that intelligent? Or that you are allowed to parot rhetoric?

Israel wiped out gaza

 

[metis]

Do you actually believe that HAMAS are that intelligent? Or that you are allowed to parot rhetoric?

Israel wiped out gaza

Some of us actually have studied this and decided not on the basis of loyalty but on the facts. The trouble here at RF with all too many is they mouth off before reviewing the facts. This is why I'm getting out of this and related threads.

 

[Orbit]

Hamas started it well knowing that Israel will respond, so what should Israel do-- just let the Hamas rockets hit them and not respond in turn?

I'm outta here on this.

After over 13K are dead? And Gaza is destroyed? What should they do?

Does killing 10x as many as Hamas did solve anything? Make them holy? Make them right?

Time to negotiate peace.

 

[Orbit]

You are one of the members most arguing that Israel has committed and is committing war crimes. As explained above to @Yerda, any serious discussion of whether Israel has committed war crimes can only start after both sides have agreed that Israel is being held to a higher standard, otherwise anyone calling out Israel for war crimes is presenting a baseless accusation. Since you have been hypocritical on this topic, like thousands of people worldwide, if not millions or more, and have thus far failed to both admit that Israel is being held to a higher standard and to decry atrocities being committed worldwide, including other Middle Eastern and/or Muslim countries, your claims of Israel having committed war crimes are utterly meaningless. It doesn't matter how many reports you present claiming that Israel is an apartheid country and that it's been committing war crimes for decades. These sources are consistent in only two things: irrationally holding Israel to a higher standard than any other country in the world, and largely ignoring atrocities committed in other countries or by other political entities. You're welcome to continue to call this argument a deflection, but that is in itself a deflection away from the inconsistency of your logic.

I am perfectly open for an honest discussion regarding Israel's actions over the decades, but that is on condition that the person debating with me will be honest regarding international hypocrisy on Israel's methods in war time and daily life.

I've said my piece to you a few times now in different ways. If you once again reply to me with anything but willingness to admit the inconsistency applied to Israel, then I see no point in replying to you any further on this particular matter.

You have not one shred of evidence that I am inconsistent in my views. None.
You made up that strawman out of thin air.
That's not honest discussion, it's the worst kind of deflection.

 

[Orbit]

I’m not saying it’s hopeless. I think it’s different, though. I see this as a bigger spiritual battle because God chose Israel, not because Israel is better or favored, but for a special purpose on this earth.
The Bible reveals there will be peace; first a short-lived deceptive “peace” initiated by an antichrist political leader…then finally lasting peace brought to Israel and the world by the Prince of Peace; Jesus Christ.

I think the Middle East is the best argument for anti-theism that I've ever seen.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is why I'm getting out of this and related threads.

LOL! Run away!

 

[Revoltingest]

You are now the proud winner of the....

Avoiding Whataboutism Award.

At times, societies go insane.
It happened in Germany during the 1940s.
It happened in USA during the McCarthy Hearings.
It happened in Israel during....always.
May it too recover from insane inhumanity towards others.

 

[Bthoth]

Some of us actually have studied this and decided not on the basis of loyalty but on the facts. The trouble here at RF with all too many is they mouth off before reviewing the facts. This is why I'm getting out of this and related threads.

I have been watching the problem for decades. And when I started posting here, i addressed the problem; the pursuit of that mount.

 

[Revoltingest]

You are one of the members most arguing that Israel has committed and is committing war crimes. As explained above to @Yerda, any serious discussion of whether Israel has committed war crimes can only start after both sides have agreed that Israel is being held to a higher standard....

Oh, boohoo.
Israel has actually been held to a much lower standard.
USA vetoes any UN resolution Israel doesn't like.
Israel has been above criticism for its long history of
murder, theft, maiming, torture, group punishment,
apartheid, corruption, & war crimes. They've always
played the anti-semitism, Hitler, Holocaust, victim
cards to shut down criticism. Doesn't work anymore.

 

[oldbadger]

Strange. The video is still on the IDF's YT channel (and it's the same video, I checked). I edited in the new link. Here it is:

That's the same film as we watched in the UK.
I don't think that any armed folks would hide their guns anywhere near an MRI scanner.

What would that have shown? I'm honestly asking.

Can ferromagnetic objects be taken into the MRI scanner room?
Any ferromagnetic object* brought into the MRI scanner room will become magnetized and can become a… Dangerous Projectile! The “missile effect” refers to the capability of the MRI magnetic field to attract a ferromagnetic object into the scanner with considerable force.

Is this what you're talking about?
The question remains: do we have too high expectations of what terrorist bases look like?

Yep.

Yes....that one. And is the video showing that the IDF smashed down a hospital where that hole descends?

I would want to see a proper underground base...... don't forget that Hamas has been in power for about 15-20 years. A mate of mine dug out a nuclear bunker under his house in the 60s with bedrooms, kitchen and living room, with separate electric supply and water tanks...the lot....in under a year!
Look, I expect that Hamas does have underground shelters and very advanced ones, but that looks more like a well than an entrance to anything.

 

[Harel13]

I don't think that any armed folks would hide their guns anywhere near an MRI scanner.

Can ferromagnetic objects be taken into the MRI scanner room?
Any ferromagnetic object* brought into the MRI scanner room will become magnetized and can become a… Dangerous Projectile! The “missile effect” refers to the capability of the MRI magnetic field to attract a ferromagnetic object into the scanner with considerable force.

The IDF spokesperson in the video commented that he wasn't sure when the MRI machine was last used. Perhaps he meant that it was dusty from not being in use for awhile. So perhaps that answers your question.

Yes....that one. And is the video showing that the IDF smashed down a hospital where that hole descends?

I'm not sure what video you're referring to.

I would want to see a proper underground base...... don't forget that Hamas has been in power for about 15-20 years. A mate of mine dug out a nuclear bunker under his house in the 60s with bedrooms, kitchen and living room, with separate electric supply and water tanks...the lot....in under a year!
Look, I expect that Hamas does have underground shelters and very advanced ones, but that looks more like a well than an entrance to anything.

You have a point. I suppose we'll just have to wait for more footage and see.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's the same film as we watched in the UK.
I don't think that any armed folks would hide their guns anywhere near an MRI scanner.


Can ferromagnetic objects be taken into the MRI scanner room?
Any ferromagnetic object* brought into the MRI scanner room will become magnetized and can become a… Dangerous Projectile! The “missile effect” refers to the capability of the MRI magnetic field to attract a ferromagnetic object into the scanner with considerable force.

MRI machines are very dangerous without proper precautions.
Accidents happen when safety protocols aren't perfect.

 

[oldbadger]

The IDF spokesperson in the video commented that he wasn't sure when the MRI machine was last used. Perhaps he meant that it was dusty from not being in use for awhile. So perhaps that answers your question.

Or it answers his, maybe?
An MRI room and behind its scanner is a really silly place to hide large ferrous objects.

You have a point. I suppose we'll just have to wait for more footage and see.

Yes..... there will be bunkers, but probably not under any hospitals.

Israel's leadership could be in the process of causing a holocaust, and I've watched news footage of Israel's ambassador to the UK answering such suggestions by accusing the journalist of anti-Semitism. Over here Jewish people are speaking out against the Israeli leadership.