No savior is going to set foot in that apartheid.
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rosends
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and you have the right to be wrong when leveling accusations of apartheid and bias. Until you learn some actual facts, most everyone will see your opinion for the uninformed parroting of online talking points that it is, except for others in your personal echo chamber. I have studied the geopolitical theories and reality for a while, and have seen it first hand. You are incapable of truly comprehending the situation so you let others lie to you and internalize that lie because it gives you comfort.
Decades and decades of evidence.
Sure you learned theories. As I see it, you are trying to use legal analysis to fight and deny facts. Did you work for trump too?
Nothing will comfort me, knowing that my country enabled the apartheid to become what it is now.
Tell me, what's it like to have free reign to personally attack me?
The dross are the nasty of tanakh, just as the city of blood is the focal point of the illegal occupation. I can't stop the mess but be certain, i have been watching it for quite a few decades.
I am hoping that when the hostages are released, that they use the opportunity to leave palestine/israel and find a better place to live.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Actually not.
So you think that the law shouldn't be used to assess crimes. Interesting approach.
I guess it feels the same as having free reign to speak the truth in any situation.
Do you think that israel started on 10/7? Do you believe that the fencing and dividing began last month?
The separation of the population has existed for decades and decades.
If you cared about laws, you would learn that israel is not above or beyond the law. I was not giving you a compliment. Lawyers spend more time defending criminals than helping anyone. Again, did you work for trump?
IN your methodology you actually believe that you can insult me personally. That is evidence, that keeping the rules (the commandments) is not your character/upbringing.
Truth is, israel is an apartheid, but instead of stopping the conditions that reflect that israel is committing apartheid you believe that you can insult any that actually have witnessed the decades and decades of evidence.
rosends
Well-Known Member
No. Why do you ask?
No, fencing has been protecting Israel from terrorists for a while now.
How long has there been a separation between Americans and Canadians? Months? Decades?
If you cared about laws, you would learn about laws.
I don't care whether or not you are giving me a compliment. Knowledge doesn't need compliments from the ignorant. Did I work for trump? Why would I do that? Why would you even ask it?
Just your attitude. I don't know you personally. I can only respond to the behaviors I see.
When you learn the commandments, let me know. So far, you aren't there.
Truth is, there isn't apartheid but you don't know what apartheid means, but you throw the word around hoping it will stick. No such luck.
Evidence of apart ness.................. So already know evidence of apartheid.................... the decades and decades of it.
completely different.................. Over here, the populations are civil and perhaps why more Jews live on this side of the lake than in israel.
UN res 181........... Jerusalem is not israel. Read it, learn it, follow it, teach your friends to observe it.
Are you looking in the mirror to define ignorant?
is empathy so unique that you respond with ugly
Which commandments do you want me to learn? I am unwilling to observe bigotry as a commandment.
I have posted the definition of apartheid a few times. Nothing will undo the problem until the obtuse and dross, grow up and stop israel from the inhumane model by their own choice.
I will side with the Jewish before israeli.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Um, so you don't understand how borders work. Got it.
Not completely different. That's just a word you hide behind when you can't argue the facts.
The resolution isn't law and was rejected by the Arabs at the time.
The Status of Jerusalem in International and Israeli Law
This monograph shows that Israel has valid legal status in Jerusalem. - Shmuel Berkowitz
jcpa.org
No, a mirror doesn't that work that way. Would you like me to find a website that explains how a mirror work?
Not only doesn't that ignore what I wrote but it also makes no sense. Well done.
Good thing it isn't a commandment. You seem to want to speak as if you know the commandments but clearly, you don't.
Have you read the Rome Statute? Clearly not.
Is that because you hate Muslims?
Imposing a wall like an east west wall within berlin is perhaps the kind of border that you look forward too.
Fact is, more Jews live here in the free world than in the apartheid that you envision.
UN res 181 is the law and why israel even exists. You are focused on what 'Arabs' did not like, not that israel exists because of the majority on the earth putting the state into existence.
Israel took jerusalem based on religious need, desire and the scope of retribution. Not by legal agreement!
Each and everyone can learn the commandments. They reflect personal responsibility.
Learn what 'personal responsibility' means, then try to tell me what I dont know.
According to the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the 1976 United Nations Apartheid Convention, apartheid is defined by international law as 'inhumane acts committed in the context of an institutionalised regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial
Exactly.............. the apartheid israel is dividing people based on systematic oppression and domination between israelis, the dross, and palestinians.
I am aware that israelis are racially arabs by foundation of the term Arab (nomadic)
Jews do not hate muslims, but israelis hate Jews that do not support israel.
rosends
Well-Known Member
No thanks. I'll stick with borders like other countries have, which you seem to be against.
I don't envision apartheid. Now you are totally confused. More Muslims live in Nigeria than in Egypt. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that.
LOL, no. You really don't know how things work.
Actually, Israel declared itself a country. That the majority of countries recognized it as a country is nice but not the same thing.
So you haven't read up on it. Got it.
So you haven't studied the commandments either. OK.
You don't know the commandments. There. That was easy.
What racial groups do you have in mind. Are Israelis a racial group? Are Palestinians? Nope. Try again.
You are aware of something that isn't true and one cannot be racially Arab because of a behavior like being nomadic.
Also, you can't be racially Arab
Facts about Arabs and the Arab World - ADC
Who is an Arab? "Arab" is a cultural and linguistic term. It refers to those who speak Arabic as their first language. Arabs are united by culture and by history. Arabs are not a race. Some have blue eyes and red hair; others are dark skinned; many are somewhere in between. Most Arabs are Muslims
adc.org
No, they don't. You see, I know Israelis and they don't hate Jews that don't support Israel so you are wrong. Care to try again? You didn't answer what I asked. You are against Israelis. There are many Israeli Muslims. If you hate Israelis, you hate Muslims.
israel creating concentration camp gaza is not creating a border, as the whole region is within the lands that israel controls.
You dont like the word apartheid and that israel has become an apartheid.
Has nothing to do with nigeria, except you have to point elsewhere to continue your use of tangents.
The fact that the majority of Jews on this earth DO NOT nor WILL live in israel, is just an honest assessment that borders are not for defending Jews.
I am aware that UN 181 is what created israel because I have not only read the legal resolutions but that I am aware that the belfour letter is not what created a state.
Israel is not a self. It's a country. israel is not a tribe, a religious group or a family lineage. Ir is a state, a country by right, by law and by human beings creating it.
Sure... 1967.... Israel took jerusalem in retribution to the surrounding countries. The creation of the state of israel as recognized by the majority on the earth DOES NOT and DID NOT include jerusalem. That is the law, that is the legal form and like the labels of apartheid and the dross, you do not like the facts.
How can you say that? Based on your belief or based on your expectation of control?
Again, you have a exceptionalism that you own the commandments. But never observed that they came from egypt, not you, and most definitely not by israel.
Of course, now you dance but care nothing of the root problem, apartness, dividing people.
I am not using the term arab as a race. You do, as you enjoy trying to divide human beings based on you methods of bigotry.
Then when will you acknowledge JVP as relevant and that their opinion that israel is an apartheid as honest.
Are JVP ignorant of the commandments for not accepting your opinion of israel/
Are JVP too orthodox to be good enough for your LOVE.
Are the oldest form of rabbinical jew less than JEW for living in their homeland ethiopia? Did you even know that their race is black?
rosends
Well-Known Member
No, Israel is creating a border. People on either side can live their lives. Using words like "concentration camp" simply shows your bias and ignorance.
You don't like that the word doesn't apply.
This has nothing to do with relative size of populations. When I show that your logic leads to comparing Muslim populations, suddenly you abandon it. Interesting.
The fact that more Muslims live in Nigeria is an honest assessment of the fact that borders for Muslims anywhere else in the world are not for defending Muslims. See how that makes no sense? Only 2 people live in my house. More live outside my house. Therefore the walls of my house aren't for protecting the 2 of us in the house. Brilliant.
I don't recall saying that it was. Why argue with something I didn't say? Maybe because you have no argument against what I DID say. So noted.
Yes, by the people in Israel declaring itself to be a country. If only the Arab world accepted it as a country.
Retribution? Not exactly. You really need to brush up on your history.
Apartheid still has nothing to do with it, and the Israel that was declared in 1948 did not include Jerusalem. Check out what Jordan did in 1950 and how that turned out.
No, based on my knowledge and your lack of knowledge.
So you reject the biblical accounts. That's OK.
That must explain why Canada is shelling Detroit. Oh wait...apartness isn't leading to rocket fire. Fascinating. And you still didn't answer what I pointed out about your use of the Rome Statute.
And yet you wrote "racially Arab." Remember when you wrote, "I am aware that israelis are racially arabs". And now you are not using Arab as a race. Which is it? You should take a breather and figure yourself out.
I won't. They aren't versed in the law any more than you are.
Generally, as most of the people in JVP are not especially observant or religiously educated, they are ignorant of the commandments. Care to prove otherwise?
The are generally not orthodox. Do you have any idea what you are saying?
Um, are you talking about Falasha Mura or Beta Israel? Or both? Why would you ask abouth their being less or more Jewish depending on where they live? You keep bringing up unrelated ideas.
As of today, South Africa is kicking the israeli ambassador out of SA. Stating that israel is an APARTHEID.
They lived and created the term to identify how dividing people is wrong.
I know it applies and then to tell me that judaism is a blood line or lineage rather than a religion would be accepting the framework of apartheid as a part of your belief system, not the religion of judaism
I am not as flagrant to point to other locations as you are.
AS an example:
No that example is just make believe.
You write a whole bunch of tangents. It's weird. But UN res 181 is what created israel, and jerusalem is NOT Israel per that legal document.
Again, you point at others for your need of affirmation.
Jerusalem was taken in retribution for the 1967 war, not for defense, not based on legal right and most definitely an illegal act.
I know and you know it.. " Israel that was declared in 1948 did not include Jerusalem." Check out what Jordan did in 1950 and how that turned out.
Biblical account: Israel are the dross!
I quoted the rome statue definition.
Even South Africa, is against israel........ and they know apartheid beyond your opinion.
Sure, they are Jewish and prove themselves to be based on being honest beyond your comprehension.
OK.... JVP are not the
The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.
OK...... I love Judaism for the personal responsibility, not the labels.
Perhaps when you learn judaism, you will understand that personal responsibility is more important than israel to represent jews and judaism.
rosends
Well-Known Member
So if I find a south African who says it ISN'T apartheid you will have to believe it, right?
Israel is not an apartheid state - former South African defense minister
Judaism is not just a blood line or lineage and is more than a religion. Anything else you don't understand? Maybe it would be easier for you to make a list of what you DO understand.
try that again but in English this time.
Because you can't argue it. Understood.
So you still don't understand. Sad.
Nope, just your hypocrisy. You insist that Israel is a country but don't then call out all the Arab countries which don't accept it even though it was "created by the UN."
You can keep thinking that. I posted legal analysis which shows that your opinion is wrong.
Funny how you bolded that and ignored the rest. Did the creation of Israel give Jerusalem to Jordan?
In other words, you have nothing.
Yes and still can't see that what you quoted says something different from what you claim.
Israel is not an apartheid state, former South African defense minister says
Mosiuoa Lekota: "In Israel, you won't find the same divisions between Jews and non-Jews that we used to witness during apartheid."
www.jpost.com
Their "honesty" just means they say what you like.
Because they believe that there should be a theocracy and a destruction of all other religions and peoples. You support that?
I know more about Judaism than you ever will. Someday you will learn about Judaism. Today is clearly not that day.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I'm not inspired by the actions of the IDF as of late. Disgusted is more like it.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I am inspired by their actions but am disgusted by much of the world in its response.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
What is it that you find inspiring, exactly?
It makes me nauseous, personally.
Hamas' actions do as well.
NO. THE SA is not A single opinion or speaker to represent the population. Just as the big bibi nutlessyahoo is not the representative of Judaism.
That judaism is a religion. The culture comes from the belief system. Judaism is not a lineage. Israel does not represent judaism or the Jews of the world.
Each of those facts can be argued but you're not qualified to address even one of them.
If you do not comprehend the words, then DO NOT try arguing with me.
Correct, i cannot argue what is happening in other parts of the world as a defense of your method of operation.
I cannot understand how the obtuse can be so irresponsible with themselves.
What's to call out? Do you expect me to accept that what others are doing is grounds for you to further so much hatred.
NO... Jordans hashemite just maintained the location, no ownership or control. If jordan controlled the location, the settlers and rabbi'd that create violence, would be in jordanian jails and prosecuted as criminals.
Joke post is a rag by bigots.Yes and still can't see that what you quoted says something different from what you claim.
Israel is not an apartheid state, former South African defense minister says
Mosiuoa Lekota: "In Israel, you won't find the same divisions between Jews and non-Jews that we used to witness during apartheid."
No, they are willing to go against even the dross using their religious designation and take the abuse to do what is right before any other choice.
There you go conflicting your own comprehension
I love judaism, you use it as a tool to fight even Jews.
Judaism is about personal responsibility.
Have you looked up the term 'personal responsibility' since you dont comprehend english very well, it's best you learn it before claiming to know judaism.
rosends
Well-Known Member
The bravery in championing Israel during an existential crisis. The morality in their behavior and their willingness to step up and protect everyone from those who want them dead.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Strange. A south African (a former defense minister) whose opinion of what apartheid is means nothing to you.
You don't get to define what Judaism is.
It involves lineage.
I'm significantly qualified to discuss them.
If you can't write in comprehensible English, don't try to hold a conversation.
You can't argue because you don't understand.
More word salad. When you decide to make sense, let me know. And along with my knowledge of Judaism's exceeding yours by a lot, my knowledge of English far outstrips yours as well.
A non-sequitur. That's refreshing. You really aren't following anything.
Wow. You really don't know history.
So you don't like the source but can't argue the content. Noted.
This makes no sense (on a variety of levels). They are generally non-observant Jews using the name "Jew" as if that confers some power to replace logic and law.
Want to try again but in English this time?
You don't know Judaism, nor do you know how I "use" it.
Why would you say that? Not only is it a woefully incomplete statement, you are in no position to decide what Judaism is about.
You are just digging your hole deeper and deeper.