I saw that nutlessyahoo fibbing too. 2 dead women had their faces plastered on the feed. and then the term was changed to 'near' the hospital.
This am, one of the women was claimed to be a soldier.
Israel is not trustworthy.
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IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital
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This am, one of the women was claimed to be a soldier.
Israel is not trustworthy.
It's a country that's gone insane with hatred & self obsession.
They tell themselves a story that must not be questioned.
They've been telling us that story, but it's begun to fall apart
as their edifice of sainted perennial victims is morphing into
vicious oppressors.
If you think that being killed instantly by a bomb and the slow torture of people is the same, I think we need to question your logic
If you think the ethics of purposefully killing a child is the same as having a child killed while tying to stop someone who is killing a child, not oly is your logic is in question but our legal system is flawed.
Purposefully like the Palestinians? No. Have children been killed? Yes
As targets? No. Don’t know.if any pregnant women were killed
As targets? no. Actually seeing it? Probably not. Seeing the aftermath? more likely. May God’s Holy Spirit of comfort bring healing to their hears as we also pray for the families of Israel who lost their loved ones.
Depends on what weighted scales you use.
Were more Germans killed in WWII than from England? Yes. Was England justified in their effort to stop Germans regardless of scale? Yes.
In the areas attacked by Hamas, what percentage of people died in that area? Probably above 75%. Were they warned? no.
In the areas attacked by Israel, what percentage of people died in that area? Probably less that 10% and mostly militants and soldiers. Were they warned? Yes.
Your post started off on the wrong foot.
Try posting honestly to me.
Then I'll read the whole post, & respond.
You're repeating an unsupported, demonizing claim that has already been addressed. What does Jesus teach about that, in your view?
Most of the Palestinians killed have been civilians, not "militants and soldiers." This is a fact that not even the IDF has denied. Here's my previous reply to you (from another thread) about this claim:
Is Israel commiting war crimes? Urban warfare expert weighs in
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I am learning that there is nothing that can be done.
Done did it.
And visa versa
That is a great theological question that gets thrown out there. I have found that most people really use statements like that as a catch all.
Care to be more specific and support it with a full Biblical approach?
We have no real on-the-ground access to any specific numbers. We do have Hamas giving us information which can hardly be accepted as truth
What we do have is that the attack on Israel was 99.9% civilian… desired, purposeful and wicked as it was done on purpose with no military targets.
At the least, almost all targets by Israel has been military targets with an exception of “wrong intel” that may have caused undesired consequences.
Experts can be found in any part of the spectrum. Experts who contradict other experts.
What are you talking about? Some of your posts about this subject give the impression of being reflexive and intended to be "tit for tat" rather than being thought out sufficiently or based on evidence.
I can provide various sources for every single statement I have made about measurable facts, like death tolls. On the other hand, you're casually dismissing the immense civilian loss of life in Gaza without any solid basis whatsoever.
I asked you that question to contrast the offhand denial of the civilian death toll with the ideals taught by Jesus, whom I assume you try to follow as an example. You had already been confronted about the dismissal of the statistics in another thread, yet you repeated it here without providing any reliable backup for doing so. That would perhaps be less unacceptable if we were talking about a less consequential issue, not the deaths of over 11,000 people.
I already addressed this in my previous reply to you. No independent organizations or observers have found notable errors in the statistics whether in this war or previous ones, and again, not even the IDF has denied the statistics despite standing to gain the most from doing so. If you have evidence that the Gazan death toll is mainly comprised of "militants," feel free to contact the IDF and help it score a major PR win.
(Highlighting mine.)
Regarding the highlighted part, Israel itself disagrees with you about the percentage of military deaths in Hamas' attack:
Israel revises death toll from Oct. 7 Hamas assault, dropping it from 1,400 to 1,200
Foreign Ministry official gives new number as Israel continues painstaking efforts to identify the victims of terrorists' brutal rampage
www.timesofisrael.com
Your statement is factually incorrect per the statistics from Israel—not from Hamas and not from any anti-Israel source, but from Israel itself. If you work out 318 out of 1,200 as a percentage, you get 26.5%, so the percentage of civilians killed in the attack was 73.5%.
Yes, the attack was atrocious and killed vastly more civilians than military personnel, but the above demonstrates that you've rushed to some unevidenced conclusions and unsupported claims.
The vast majority of the 11,000 Palestinians killed have been civilians. See above. I will reiterate: not even the IDF has denied this. There's a reason for that.
Yet not a single reputable expert or reliable organization has denied the civilian death toll in Gaza.
As I said, if you know something all of those journalists, organizations, and countries don't know, feel free to contact the IDF and tell them that they should start denying the Gazan civilian death toll too.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Israeli human rights organizations trust the death toll. Why don't you?
"Historically, the Gaza Health Ministry’s figures have been found largely accurate. News organizations, human rights groups, and international governments and bodies (including the United Nations) cite them in the moment; and human rights groups that have worked to verify the ministry’s data in previous conflicts have found it generally reliable. Vox reports these figures, as it reports the Israeli government’s stated death tolls."
MSN
www.msn.com
The death toll from Gaza, explained
Real-time fatality counts from conflict zones like Gaza are almost never right. Pay attention to them anyway.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
How many civilians were killed in Germany, Italy, and Japan through Allied bombing during WWII? What other viable options did the Allies have?
My point is that the truly unfortunate reality is this is what happens in war. So, what should the allies have done: Just let them take over?
If we go with what some people here seem to be advocating, the Israelis should just sit back and let Hamas launch rockets and enjoy the fireworks, I guess. If not, then put forth a viable solution without slipping into relitigating the past.
War is hell and it's always been part of human existence and likely will continue to be-- unfortunately. "Blessed are the peacemakers", as few as there seem to be.
My point is that the truly unfortunate reality is this is what happens in war. So, what should the allies have done: Just let them take over?
If we go with what some people here seem to be advocating, the Israelis should just sit back and let Hamas launch rockets and enjoy the fireworks, I guess. If not, then put forth a viable solution without slipping into relitigating the past.
War is hell and it's always been part of human existence and likely will continue to be-- unfortunately. "Blessed are the peacemakers", as few as there seem to be.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Whats insane is the disgusting shift to supporting terrorism and the vilification of long-time allies.
If people don't like it, go and move to Palestine if they think the people there are so warm and friendly and help fight the war for them.
Nothing significant that we as individuals
can do, but USA could force Israel to end
oppression war crimes by threatening to
withhold aid...about as far as we could ever
hope US government could evolve.
All we can do as voters is influence leaders.
Biden appears to be now recognizing that
he screwed the pooch with MI voters.
You're still trying to justify Israel's war crimes.
But this is hypocritical in light of criticizing
Hamas for fewer war crimes.
Your posts are so often critical of others for
not being Christian enuf. How ironic.
And now CNN is reporting:
An IDF video on November 15 shows Conricus touring the facility, during which an AK-47 gun is seen behind an MRI machine. Fox News and the BBC were subsequently granted access to the hospital. In their reports filmed after the IDF clip, two AK-47 guns are visible in the same location. It is unclear where the second assault rifle came from. CNN has reached out to the IDF for clarification. [source]
The implication being that the IDF is enhancing the evidence. If true, it would be more than tragic.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Latest needless war crimes:
www.aljazeera.com
- Dozens are dead and wounded after Israel’s air force bombed the UN-operated al-Fakhoora school and later in the day attacked another shelter in Tal al-Zataar.
- The UN-run schools in northern Gaza housed thousands of war-displaced Palestinians.
- Al-Shifa Hospital Director Mohammed Abu Salmiya says only he and a few others, including staff and patients, were left at Gaza’s largest hospital. Israel’s army denies ordering an evacuation.
- At least 12,000 people have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7. In Israel, the official death toll from Hamas’s attacks stands at about 1,200.
Israel-Hamas war updates: Dozens killed in Israeli strikes on Gaza schools
Al-Fakhoora school in Jabalia refugee camp bombed followed by another UN shelter in Tall az-Zataar.
Israel isn't much of an ally.
Sure, they are to Jews & fundamentalist Christians in USA,
but to us taxpayers, Isreal is a very expensive financial &
military burden. Moreover, ally shouldn't engage in violent
conquest, pogroms, torture, war crimes, apartheid, human
rights violations, & subverting USA's political & social
systems with censorship & manipulation to do violence.
USA has been supporting state terrorism in Israel.
This should end.
Snowflakes you can't take valid criticism of Israel
should close their eyes & ears....oh...wait...they
already have.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This really doesn't add information. It's been obvious
that Hamas has been using civilian infrastructure &
human shields. Is that even in dispute?
The purpose of such reporting is to keep up criticism
of Hamas for the purpose of distracting from Israel's
far greater killing, maiming, destruction, & war crimes.