IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

[sayak83]

The IDF's spokesperson unit released an unedited single-shot tour of some areas of the al-Shifa hospital showing where weapons and other equipment belonging to Hamas were hidden.

I believe that all media reports are agreed that the evidence provided so far is woefully inadequate. So I do not think the views of the posters telling you the same are so easily dismissed.

 

[sayak83]

The IDF's spokesperson unit released an unedited single-shot tour of some areas of the al-Shifa hospital showing where weapons and other equipment belonging to Hamas were hidden.

There is currently suspicion that Israel millitary is planting weapons. When even CNN is saying this, it's difficult to dismiss them
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/17/middleeast/israel-al-shifa-gaza-what-we-know-intl/index.html

CNN analysis of footage published online by the IDF prior to visits from international media outlets suggests weaponry at Al-Shifa may have been rearranged.

An IDF video on November 15 shows Conricus touring the facility, during which an AK-47 gun is seen behind an MRI machine. Fox News and the BBC were subsequently granted access to the hospital. In their reports filmed after the IDF clip, two AK-47 guns are visible in the same location. It is unclear where the second assault rifle came from. CNN has reached out to the IDF for clarification.

 

[Harel13]

I believe that all media reports are agreed that the evidence provided so far is woefully inadequate. So I do not think the views of the posters telling you the same are so easily dismissed.

I've yet to see a single member explain what a terrorist command center looks like and what the building above that center (until recently, according to a large portion of the West, supposedly a completely unaffiliated civilian building) looks like.

 

[Harel13]

There is currently suspicion that Israel millitary is planting weapons. When even CNN is saying this, it's difficult to dismiss them
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/17/middleeast/israel-al-shifa-gaza-what-we-know-intl/index.html

"even CNN"? CNN who is notably biased against Israel?

Tracking CNN’s Bias: CNN’s Obsession with Israel

I'm shocked (not).

Rational people can consider at least two explanations other than a poor attempt at misleading the public:
1. The weapons were removed from their hiding-holes after the IDF tour but then put back to show the foreign news crews and another AK-47 was mistakenly placed there.

2. Anyone who's bothered to watch the IDF's footage will notice that the camera never films 360 degrees around the MRI machine, so part of the back area, which is where the equipment was hidden, remains obscured to the viewer. How do we know there weren't two guns there which the spokesperson didn't notice, or forgot or didn't think to mention? Also, we never see the full contents of the duffel bag. It could have been there.

Think about it. Really, think about it for more than two seconds. Why is the IDF footage still on the IDF's official YouTube channel if they wanted to change the narrative? And yes, it's still there. I checked before posting this. Did the IDF forget they had a YouTube channel? Given they're still uploading videos, that's hard to believe.

 

[sayak83]

"even CNN"? CNN who is notably biased against Israel?

Tracking CNN’s Bias: CNN’s Obsession with Israel

I'm shocked (not).

Rational people can consider at least two explanations other than a poor attempt at misleading the public:
1. The weapons were removed from their hiding-holes after the IDF tour but then put back to show the foreign news crews and another AK-47 was mistakenly placed there.

2. Anyone who's bothered to watch the IDF's footage will notice that the camera never films 360 degrees around the MRI machine, so part of the back area, which is where the equipment was hidden, remains obscured to the viewer. How do we know there weren't two guns there which the spokesperson didn't notice, or forgot or didn't think to mention? Also, we never see the full contents of the duffel bag. It could have been there.

Think about it. Really, think about it for more than two seconds. Why is the IDF footage still on the IDF's official YouTube channel if they wanted to change the narrative? And yes, it's still there. I checked before posting this. Did the IDF forget they had a YouTube channel? Given they're still uploading videos, that's hard to believe.

I consider CNN and most US media outlet to be highly biased FOR Israel. It's kind of obvious given the highly pro Israel environment in US in general and UK to some extent. Because you are immersed in such an environment you do not see it, and CNN appears biased to you. You should see media outlets in other parts of the world or even continental Europe to understand the views beyond the pro Israel bubble.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Rational people ...

Rational people probably should not use CAMERA as some oracle of proof.

 

[Bthoth]

Whats insane is the disgusting shift to supporting terrorism and the vilification of long-time allies.

I have not witnessed any person supporting terrorism. Villification? That apartheid is pursuing retribution, not defense.
Note the label........... apartheid! Identifying that fact is not supporting terrorism. The weak minded, are unwilling to be honest about the situation which is what created the terrorism.

In a pure sense, israel created the terrorist and what is occurring in GAZA is just creating a whole bunch more.

If people don't like it, go and move to Palestine if they think the people there are so warm and friendly and help fight the war for them.

There you go, painting a crazy picture.

I say the same about israel: If the place is so holy and so good for jews, then why are the majority of Jews on this earth unwilling to live there.

They publish this great amount of Jews living in israel and yet a bunch of those numbers are dual citizenship people that WILL NOT even live there.

Jews all over the world condemn israel for the apartheid, divide and lousy government but you have the arrogance to write nonsense that is actually what is disgusting.

What is terrible is Jews all over the world are being condemned because of what israel is doing. The ugly have created a narrative that israel represents Jews and Judaism as a family which is so far from fact that it should be outlawed and identified as racism.

 

[Orbit]

This shouldn't have a paywall:

The War Turns Gaza Into a ‘Graveyard’ for Children

Thousands of children have been killed in the enclave since the Israeli assault began, officials in Gaza say. The Israeli military says it takes “all feasible precautions” to avoid civilian deaths.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Bthoth]

Nothing significant that we as individuals
can do, but USA could force Israel to end
oppression war crimes by threatening to
withhold aid...about as far as we could ever
hope US government could evolve.
All we can do as voters is influence leaders.
Biden appears to be now recognizing that
he screwed the pooch with MI voters.

US government should have stopped sending israel funding when the Diamona reactor was found.

No need to mention firing phosphorus munitions over the civilians of gaza back in 09.

 

[Orbit]

The more I look at the circumstances in Gaza even before Oct 7th, the more appalled I am:

The Occupation of Water

The legacy of Israel’s 50-year occupation of the Palestinian territories has been systematic human rights violations on a mass scale. One of its consequences is the impact of Israel’s discriminatory policies on Palestinians’ access to clean and safe water.

www.amnesty.org

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The more I look at the circumstances in Gaza even before Oct 7th, the more appalled I am:

Actually, you give a very good impression of hungrily feeding off such material while blithely ignoring talk of Hamas barbarism against Israelis and Palestinians alike.

 

[Orbit]

Actually, you give a very good impression of hungrily feeding off such material while blithely ignoring talk of Hamas barbarism against Israelis and Palestinians alike.

If you look, there was a post about living conditions in Gaza, that have been going on for decades. Colt responded to that post saying "Hamas raped people on Oct 7th", as if that somehow excused 70 years of human rights issues from the blockade. That was the context.

 

[Revoltingest]

US government should have stopped sending israel funding when the Diamona reactor was found.

No need to mention firing phosphorus munitions over the civilians of gaza back in 09.

Tip of a very large iceberg.

 

[Revoltingest]

You don’t seem to have a grasp of how time works.

Just time?

 

[libre]

Purposefully like the Palestinians? No. Have children been killed? Yes

When you bomb a school or a hospital, you are intentionally killing children.
Israel can shrug it off as collateral damage, say that Hamas was hiding behind them, and give any other justification they please.

But to deny it being a deliberate choice?
Shameful.

 

[Orbit]

How many civilians were killed in Germany, Italy, and Japan through Allied bombing during WWII? What other viable options did the Allies have?

My point is that the truly unfortunate reality is this is what happens in war. So, what should the allies have done: Just let them take over?

If we go with what some people here seem to be advocating, the Israelis should just sit back and let Hamas launch rockets and enjoy the fireworks, I guess. If not, then put forth a viable solution without slipping into relitigating the past.

War is hell and it's always been part of human existence and likely will continue to be-- unfortunately. "Blessed are the peacemakers", as few as there seem to be.

Yeah, I get it, war is hell, but what war have you heard of where over 12,000 have been murdered as vengeance for 1,200 and 220 hostages? Especially where half of the population being bombed are children?

 

[Kenny]

What are you talking about? Some of your posts about this subject give the impression of being reflexive and intended to be "tit for tat" rather than being thought out sufficiently or based on evidence.

I can provide various sources for every single statement I have made about measurable facts, like death tolls. On the other hand, you're casually dismissing the immense civilian loss of life in Gaza without any solid basis whatsoever.

I disagree… I have never proposed a tit for tat….that is your interpretation. All I have said is that Israel has military targets and tries to tell civilians leave

It is about the removal of those who have no heart for life:

Israeli police say extreme sexual violence, rape by Hamas terrorists was systematic

While no victims of sex crimes by Hamas Oct. 7 have come forward, police say they have documented multiple cases and are investigating brutal crimes against women.

www.foxnews.com

I asked you that question to contrast the offhand denial of the civilian death toll with the ideals taught by Jesus, whom I assume you try to follow as an example. You had already been confronted about the dismissal of the statistics in another thread, yet you repeated it here without providing any reliable backup for doing so. That would perhaps be less unacceptable if we were talking about a less consequential issue, not the deaths of over 11,000 people.

I asked you to give scriptural support for your statement from a complete view of scripture… you haven’t done it. Remember that Jesus knew the law too.

I already addressed this in my previous reply to you. No independent organizations or observers have found notable errors in the statistics whether in this war or previous ones, and again, not even the IDF has denied the statistics despite standing to gain the most from doing so. If you have evidence that the Gazan death toll is mainly comprised of "militants," feel free to contact the IDF and help it score a major PR win.

How can you find “notable errors” when they all come from the same source, Hamas?

(Highlighting mine.)

Regarding the highlighted part, Israel itself disagrees with you about the percentage of military deaths in Hamas' attack:

Israel revises death toll from Oct. 7 Hamas assault, dropping it from 1,400 to 1,200

Foreign Ministry official gives new number as Israel continues painstaking efforts to identify the victims of terrorists' brutal rampage

www.timesofisrael.com

Your statement is factually incorrect per the statistics from Israel—not from Hamas and not from any anti-Israel source, but from Israel itself. If you work out 318 out of 1,200 as a percentage, you get 26.5%, so the percentage of civilians killed in the attack was 73.5%.

Yes, the attack was atrocious and killed vastly more civilians than military personnel, but the above demonstrates that you've rushed to some unevidenced conclusions and unsupported claims.



The vast majority of the 11,000 Palestinians killed have been civilians. See above. I will reiterate: not even the IDF has denied this. There's a reason for that.



Yet not a single reputable expert or reliable organization has denied the civilian death toll in Gaza.

As I said, if you know something all of those journalists, organizations, and countries don't know, feel free to contact the IDF and tell them that they should start denying the Gazan civilian death toll too.

Again… you are giving percentages… how about actual data and not a figure that can be verified.

However… https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...amas-war/0000018b-325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000

 

[Kenny]

When you bomb a school or a hospital, you are intentionally killing children.
Israel can shrug it off as collateral damage, say that Hamas was hiding behind them, and give any other justification they please.

But to deny it being a deliberate choice?
Shameful.

Can you give a supportive link please? At least you understand what happened to Israel recently and over the decades.

 

[Orbit]

I disagree… I have never proposed a tit for tat….that is your interpretation. All I have said is that Israel has military targets and tries to tell civilians leave

It is about the removal of those who have no heart for life:

Israeli police say extreme sexual violence, rape by Hamas terrorists was systematic

While no victims of sex crimes by Hamas Oct. 7 have come forward, police say they have documented multiple cases and are investigating brutal crimes against women.

www.foxnews.com

I asked you to give scriptural support for your statement from a complete view of scripture… you haven’t done it. Remember that Jesus knew the law too.



How can you find “notable errors” when they all come from the same source, Hamas?


Again… you are giving percentages… how about actual data and not a figure that can be verified.

However… https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...amas-war/0000018b-325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000

Your post sickens me. And that should make you wonder about what you posted.

 

[Kenny]

Your post sickens me. And that should make you wonder about what you posted.

I think it is a reflection of your thinking processes. If what happened to the Israelis doesn’t turn your stomach, I can actually see how this can eventually be a reality in the end times:

Job 15:25​

25 They shake their fists at God.
They brag about themselves and oppose the Mighty One.