IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital

[rosends]

I have acted no such way .. I don't have a dog in this pony show. It is the Israelites who believed in many Gods. You claim to be an expert in Judaism so I thought you would be aware of this but apparantly that is not the case. I thought being an expert in Judaism you would know who the God of Judaism was .. but clearly this is not the case either since you don't know where the name of this God Resides.

So you have nothing new.

All this is fine but this is not for a religious sub-forum -- as it is Bibi who was referencing the Bible .. our Beloved Amalakites

So if President Biden were to say "we'll bomb them back to the stone age" then the discussion about prehistoric geology would be relevant in a political sub forum. Brilliant.

from this we know this was a Zionist reference to "Cleanse the Land" from the river to the Sea..

Actually, not. You might be guessing at this, but claiming "we all know" is arrogant and mistaken.

Now you were the one talking about God commanding this Ethnic cleansing back in the good old days.. I was wondering which God you were referring to .. but apparently you don't know the name of this mystery God of the Israelites... hmmmm.

You still think there is more than one God. You are wrong. You keep asking me a question that only makes sense if one were to accept your apolytheism (you don't believe in many gods).

Lucky for you .. I did some research and found out the name of this God that the extremist religious zealots in Bibi's camp worship .. and I am sure you will be very happy to learn that the name of this God is no longer unknown .. Did you want to guess ? .. test out your skills as an expert in Judaism ?

You still don't know what you are talking about. And I note you didn't answer what I asked in post 505.

 

[Revoltingest]

You claim to be an expert in Judaism so I thought you would be aware of this but apparantly that is not the case.

It's odd when people argue from religious authority.
Often, they really do have knowledge of something.
But being an expert in a religion is like expertise in
the Harry Potter universe....it's knowledge of what
was written.
Is that really knowledge?
Whether written by JK Rowling or ancient goatherds,
they're merely someone's words on paper...all myths
& beliefs IMO.

What application to the real world & ethical behavior
do these expertly culled facts have? None that I see.
"Experts" artfully cull the facts that serve their wants.
The net result is mere opinion. No better'n yours.

 

[Sargonski]

So you have nothing new.

So if President Biden were to say "we'll bomb them back to the stone age" then the discussion about prehistoric geology would be relevant in a political sub forum. Brilliant.

Actually, not. You might be guessing at this, but claiming "we all know" is arrogant and mistaken.

You still think there is more than one God. You are wrong. You keep asking me a question that only makes sense if one were to accept your apolytheism (you don't believe in many gods).

You still don't know what you are talking about. And I note you didn't answer what I asked in post 505.

What question did I not answer ?

"We don't call God by a personal name. Why would you tell me what I do?"

I did not tell you what to do .. I asked by what name you call your God .. if not by personal name then what ? .. and what religion this is. You keep claiming to be an expert in Judaism .. so thought it was that .. but the God of the Israelites had a name .. so that is not likely it.

No worries . this mystery God of this mystery religion has little to do with our understanding Bibi's Ethnic Cleansing Biblical references .. and getting back onto the topic .. which is the serious war crimes being committed in Palestine by the illegal occupiers .. the blood lust and ethnic cleansing continuing there in earnest during the cease fire.

These words of Bibi's are important to determining "Intent", mens rea if you want th latin .. when get to the Hauge ... who some are saying is too good for Bibi at the UN .. .. those Irish making trouble again. I kind of agree though .. evoking images of Amalakite Genocide .. definitely has some intent behind it..

 

[Sargonski]

It's odd when people argue from religious authority.
Often, they really do have knowledge of something.
But being an expert in a religion is like expertise in
the Harry Potter universe....it's knowledge of what
was written.
Is that really knowledge?
Whether written by JK Rowling or ancient goatherds,
they're merely someone's words on paper...all myths
& beliefs IMO.

What application to the real world & ethical behavior
do these expertly culled facts have? None that I see.
"Experts" artfully cull the facts that serve their wants.
The net result is mere opinion. No better'n yours.

Especially when that "Religious Expert" is not that at all .. can't even get the fallacy right -- crying out "Authority Says X so it must be true "... cept for Authority didn't say X ?

Let the zealot not deter one from finding a grain of Truth in the Holy Books of History however. There is some wisdom there to be found here and there .. such as the Golden Rule .. found in almost every religion but also in secular Philosophy .. Confucius - Hamurabi law code - The Declaration of independence

 

[Sargonski]

Actually, not. You might be guessing at this, but claiming "we all know" is arrogant and mistaken.

you were responding to "from this we know this was a Zionist reference to "Cleanse the Land" from the river to the Sea."

Of course we know that reference to the Amalekite Biblical Passage is a reference to Ethnic Cleansing .. of the land .. that land being the Promised land .. From the river to the Sea.

Ther reason I say "We" is because you already agreed this was Ethnic Cleansing .. concurring with my understanding of Biblical passages .. ?

So pardon me but what is "Arrogant and Mistaken" ? Nor was the Irish representative at the UN saying the Hague was too good for Bibi .. arrogant or mistaken IMO - these are serious war crimes being committed ... with a zeal not seen since the likes of Obama's JV Team in Syria .. circa 2011-2017... Which answers your Question about Biden .. So if President Biden were to say "we'll bomb them back to the stone age" should he do such dirty deeds .. Oh .. but wait .. already done dirt Cheap

Thats exactly right .. Biden claiming "Bomb them to the stone age" .. as in Dresden .. or Syria .. would be intent .. "mens rea" = Guilty same as Bibi, .. were that the crime committed .. and Biden is guilty of many and right now another complicity in war crimes badge .. arming and supporting the Israeli War Crimes .. ICC branding Biden with Complicity in war crimes for Yemen back during the Obama days .. so not his first badge of honor .. in the support of war crimes department.

 

[Revoltingest]

Especially when that "Religious Expert" is not that at all .. can't even get the fallacy right -- crying out "Authority Says X so it must be true "... cept for Authority didn't say X ?

Let the zealot not deter one from finding a grain of Truth in the Holy Books of History however. There is some wisdom there to be found here and there .. such as the Golden Rule .. found in almost every religion but also in secular Philosophy .. Confucius - Hamurabi law code - The Declaration of independence

Wisdom can be found anywhere.
It's a pretty low bar.
But consistent factuality & reasoning....that is a rare thing.

 

[rosends]

What question did I not answer ?

You mean you didn't go back to the post I listed and looked to see? Because that's where tha question is.

I did not tell you what to do

I didn't say you did. You need to be more careful in your reading.

.. I asked by what name you call your God .. if not by personal name then what ?

God is referred to by a series of titles.

but the God of the Israelites had a name

it's nice that you think this but you are wrong. If only you had reread that post I referred to...

 

[rosends]

you were responding to "from this we know this was a Zionist reference to "Cleanse the Land" from the river to the Sea."

Of course we know that reference to the Amalekite Biblical Passage is a reference to Ethnic Cleansing .. of the land .. that land being the Promised land .. From the river to the Sea.

No, you think this but since it isn't what was quoted nor what it means, you are wrong.

Ther reason I say "We" is because you already agreed this was Ethnic Cleansing .. concurring with my understanding of Biblical passages .. ?

the "we" isn't about what "we" say the text, itself, is saying but what you think it means when referenced.

So pardon me but what is "Arrogant and Mistaken" ?

Your assumption of meaning and excluding context and yet claiming that "we" all know what you happen to (mistakenly) think.

Nor was the Irish representative at the UN saying the Hague was too good for Bibi .. arrogant or mistaken IMO - these are serious war crimes being committed ... with a zeal not seen since the likes of Obama's JV Team in Syria .. circa 2011-2017... Which answers your Question about Biden .. So if President Biden were to say "we'll bomb them back to the stone age" should he do such dirty deeds .. Oh .. but wait .. already done dirt Cheap

Thats exactly right .. Biden claiming "Bomb them to the stone age" .. as in Dresden .. or Syria .. would be intent .. "mens rea" = Guilty same as Bibi, .. were that the crime committed .. and Biden is guilty of many and right now another complicity in war crimes badge .. arming and supporting the Israeli War Crimes .. ICC branding Biden with Complicity in war crimes for Yemen back during the Obama days .. so not his first badge of honor .. in the support of war crimes department.

swing and a miss, yet again. Really, read what I wrote and see what point I was addressing. Don't use a system of loose word association to move to something unrelated.

 

[Sargonski]

You mean you didn't go back to the post I listed and looked to see? Because that's where tha question is.

I didn't say you did. You need to be more careful in your reading.

God is referred to by a series of titles.

it's nice that you think this but you are wrong. If only you had reread that post I referred to...

You exclaim "You are wrong" .. about the God of the Israelites having a name .. trying to claim the God of the Israelites does not have a name .. adding that God has a serious of titles.

Just because there are various titles for God(s) in the Bible - just as there are names for various Gods in the Bible .. does not mean the God of Israelites did not have a name. I think you are mixing up time periods .. perhaps conflating Judaism with the religious beliefs of the Israelites .. something is off because is you the one who is mistaken.

I a surprised you do not know the name of the God of the Israelites ?! .. tell you what .. this one should be easy .. If you don't know your God's name .. do you know his wifes name ? the wife of the God of the Israelites .. and of his Father actually but thats another story ..

 

[Sargonski]

No, you think this but since it isn't what was quoted nor what it means, you are wrong.

the "we" isn't about what "we" say the text, itself, is saying but what you think it means when referenced.

Your assumption of meaning and excluding context and yet claiming that "we" all know what you happen to (mistakenly) think.

swing and a miss, yet again. Really, read what I wrote and see what point I was addressing. Don't use a system of loose word association to move to something unrelated.

Bibi quoted all that needed be quoted .. Amalekite .. coupled with getting rid of animals .. and other juicy morsels of racist bigoted imagery .. Dirty Arabs comes to mind .. and of course Ethnic Cleansing .. as that's what the Israelites were famous for doing to the Amalek .. Terminology begging for a trip to the Haige.

Not sure what you are swinging at this time Rose... but how about you focus on the subject at hand .. War Crimes, Crimes against humanity being committed not by the Israelites of Old but, by the Zionists of today .. rather than using a system of loose word association to move to something unrelated .. aka deflection

Zionist extremists - thats what we are talking about .. bombing hospitals .. mass slaughter and maiming of innocent children on a mass scale .. killing 10 times the number of children dead in the Ukraine war .. but doing it in a month as opposed to 2 years. .. Ethnic Cleansing .. all over the front page of the news .. any news .. Jerusalem Times can't even hide it .. is that the content thats been missing ?

 

[George Washington]

Zionist extremists - thats what we are talking about .. bombing hospitals .. mass slaughter and maiming of innocent children on a mass scale .. killing 10 times the number of children dead in the Ukraine war .. but doing it in a month as opposed to 2 years. .. Ethnic Cleansing .. all over the front page of the news .. any news .. Jerusalem Times can't even hide it .. is that the content thats been missing ?

it seems Hamas' dreams have come true. Should anyone have suspected anything else when Hamas fights wars the way they do? They can't even do war right, what makes anyone think they're qualified to govern?

 

[George Washington]

It seems like the cease-fire is over, and there's nothing anyone can do to prevent Israel from pummeling Gaza even further. They're unstoppable.

Good one, Hamas. Look what you've done now.

 

[rosends]

You exclaim "You are wrong" .. about the God of the Israelites having a name .. trying to claim the God of the Israelites does not have a name .. adding that God has a serious of titles.

Just because there are various titles for God(s) in the Bible - just as there are names for various Gods in the Bible .. does not mean the God of Israelites did not have a name. I think you are mixing up time periods .. perhaps conflating Judaism with the religious beliefs of the Israelites .. something is off because is you the one who is mistaken.

I a surprised you do not know the name of the God of the Israelites ?! .. tell you what .. this one should be easy .. If you don't know your God's name .. do you know his wifes name ? the wife of the God of the Israelites .. and of his Father actually but thats another story ..

Hold up, are you are doing the whole "Israel imported from the pantheon of Cana'anite gods concepts of baal and asherah, husband and wife gods"? LOL.

 

[rosends]

Bibi quoted all that needed be quoted .. Amalekite .. coupled with getting rid of animals .. and other juicy morsels of racist bigoted imagery

He specifically quoted one part and you think he meant another part. That's on you.

.. Dirty Arabs comes to mind

well, to your mind, I guess.

.. and of course Ethnic Cleansing .. as that's what the Israelites were famous for doing to the Amalek .. Terminology begging for a trip to the Haige.

So take the biblical Israelites to the ICC.

Not sure what you are swinging at this time Rose... but how about you focus on the subject at hand .. War Crimes, Crimes against humanity being committed not by the Israelites of Old but, by the Zionists of today

No they aren't. See, because you don't care about facts, and you want to make the connections you like, you ignore facts.

Zionist extremists - thats what we are talking about .. bombing hospitals .. mass slaughter and maiming of innocent children on a mass scale .. killing 10 times the number of children dead in the Ukraine war .. but doing it in a month as opposed to 2 years. .. Ethnic Cleansing .. all over the front page of the news .. any news .. Jerusalem Times can't even hide it .. is that the content thats been missing ?

So now you are just trotting out all the anti-Israel rhetoric that you like, based on all the lies you see on the internet and devoid of any care about the actual facts of the conflict. Hamas hid in hospitals. Israel is taking required steps to warn and prepare populations, giving time for them to clear the way. Hamas is using human shields and preventing people from getting to safety. ("Jerusalem Times"? Why must you show your ignorance by making things up?)

 

[Sargonski]

it seems Hamas' dreams have come true. Should anyone have suspected anything else when Hamas fights wars the way they do? They can't even do war right, what makes anyone think they're qualified to govern?

What dream has come true for Hamas ? .. only one I can think of - other than martyrdom but that is a given - is the 2 state solution looks to be more of a possibility.. but that is hardly a dream coming true .. as it has not happened .. so better stated as .. the possibility of dreams coming true are slightly higher than before.

No idea why Israel felt Hamas was qualified to Govern .. and in fact they didn't in reality .. Israel and others propped up Hamas in order to create conflict between them and the Palestinian Authority .. for who is the political leadership of the Occupied territories.

Who thinks Hamas is qualified to Govern ? No one I can think of .. not even the Palestinians after having a taste of their leadership.

and ability to fight ? --Hamas has never been much of a fighting force .. a mosquito compared to Israel .. not a fighting force at all in the world of war .. same goes for the Palestinians in general .. an occupied and Oppressed people .. having an occupier stealing their land a policy of regular ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity.. Apartheid conditions far worse than South Africa .. akin to the Warsaw Ghetto.

This is why we should be helping these freedom fighters .. like we are helping Ukraine fight the Russians .. Kosovo fight the Serbs .. the Islamic State fight Assad -- arming .. supporting and supplying them in their fight against the illegal occupation ... Then you will see it is going to be Israel begging for a Cease fire .. crying out for help to the international community.

Choosing sides in a blood fued is always a bad choice .. as serves only to prolong and worsen the thing. Biden is guilty of comlicity in war crimes .. 100% .. this is way worse and Biden is way more involved than was the case in Yemen .. where even though we were way more on the sidelines .. the atrocity not as bad -- Obama was tagged with complicity in war crimes by the ICC .. will be interesting to see how Biden fares.. already been tagged once being under Obama . they have yet to even get to Syria .. where it is full on guilty of war crimes for both those jokers ..

What do they call it .. "Rules based order" -- where the Rule for the USA has been "Do as we say - not as we Do" essentially throwing out the rule book.. and at the time ...when I said "bad idea - gonna come back to bite" .. the pundits cried no no no .. USA USA -- no one can touch the indispensible Power .. and, at the time this was True .. US the only game in town .. and everyone wanted to play .. our military an order of magnitude above anyone else.

Times have changed .. those living in the delusion of the past now seeing Karma come back to bite .. as others start to "Do as we do" -- Watch out for Turkey .. if this thing heats up again ... that could be the straw that releases the hounds ,, and not we have a nuclear issue to contend with .. Pakistan already having told Turkey that if they need a few to defend themselves ... so that Israel doesn't use theirs ... which they likely would of Israel was getting over-run.

I tell ya GW .. that would be a bad situation.

 

[Sargonski]

Hold up, are you are doing the whole "Israel imported from the pantheon of Cana'anite gods concepts of baal and asherah, husband and wife gods"? LOL.

Yes Rose .. that is exactly what the Israelites were doing .. did you not realize that the Israelites were not monotheists like You .. not a monotheistic religion like Judaism ?

Seems like you have your time periods mixed up .. the Israelite Religion was not Judaism Sister Rose - they were not monotheists .. nor was Abe or the Patriarchs .. and Rose .. that is what the Bible tells us .. never mind the cooboration from Archaeology and History.

Being an expert in Judaism you would of course know that the Israelites were not monotheists .. so why are you suggesting that they were .. and how does this relate to the command to Ethnically cleanse the land .. and Bibi's adoption of this ideology and Policy .. Likhud party's long standing ideology and policy.

 

[rosends]

Yes Rose .. that is exactly what the Israelites were doing .. did you not realize that the Israelites were not monotheists like You .. not a monotheistic religion like Judaism ?

Seems like you have your time periods mixed up .. the Israelite Religion was not Judaism Sister Rose - they were not monotheists .. nor was Abe or the Patriarchs .. and Rose .. that is what the Bible tells us .. never mind the cooboration from Archaeology and History.

Being an expert in Judaism you would of course know that the Israelites were not monotheists .. so why are you suggesting that they were .. and how does this relate to the command to Ethnically cleanse the land .. and Bibi's adoption of this ideology and Policy .. Likhud party's long standing ideology and policy.

You are quoting history and science because you reject the primacy and divinity of the text. That's fine, but it has nothing to do with Judaism (or ancient Israel). Of course, the historical discussion of whether one culture imported a god figure from another has nothing to do with anything else, except in your mind.

 

[RabbiO]

@Sargonski

”Rose”? “Sister Rose”?

Given that @rosends is not a woman, and neither his first nor last name is Rose, you might want to rethink how you address him.

 

[Sargonski]

He specifically quoted one part and you think he meant another part. That's on you.

well, to your mind, I guess.

So take the biblical Israelites to the ICC.

No they aren't. See, because you don't care about facts, and you want to make the connections you like, you ignore facts.

So now you are just trotting out all the anti-Israel rhetoric that you like, based on all the lies you see on the internet and devoid of any care about the actual facts of the conflict. Hamas hid in hospitals. Israel is taking required steps to warn and prepare populations, giving time for them to clear the way. Hamas is using human shields and preventing people from getting to safety. ("Jerusalem Times"? Why must you show your ignorance by making things up?)

The ICC would find the Biblical Israelites guilty of Ethnic Cleansing -- and Bibi's reference to the Amalek .. shows intent to Ethnically Cleanse .. guilty as charged. What part did you think Bibi was referencing ..

Telling you what much of the entire world press is saying is not "anti-Israel rhetoric" .. It is not my fault the media on both sides of the fence is calling this war crimes - war crimes. - .. that leaders of Nations .. such as South Africa -- those who know apartheid and persecution well calling out the apartheid state for war crimes .. crimes against humanity being perpetrated against the Palestinians .. lodging diplomatic protest.

It is there for all to see - not some big secret and warning people trapped in a building that you are going to bomb it .. doesn't do those much folks much good now does it. Some of the apologies coming out of Israeli talking heads are priceless indeed

"Human Sheild" argument does justify the killing of civilians by Hamas .. does not make their actions any less an act of terrorism .. such claims are ridiculous justification for war crimes and attrocity ... and not even true in most of the cases. .. but even when true .. is still a war crime.

 

[Sargonski]

@Sargonski

”Rose”? “Sister Rose”?

Given that @rosends is not a woman, and neither his first nor last name is Rose, you might want to rethink how you address him.

My mistake -- although these days men will sometimes identify as women .. thanks for the heads up though !