If Devout Jews rule Israel: Should Shabbath breakers be killed?

[Tumah]

Yea, not even a little dig lol.

I have no idea what you're saying...

 

[psychoslice]

I have no idea what you're saying...

Of course you don't and that's fine, thanks.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Modern day Israel is not currently a theocracy. If it were and if the children of Israel were still under the covenants they made with God under Moses and up until the time when they asked Samuel for a king... then such a law might still be in force. As it is, since Israel broke their covenant with God, making it of none effect, they are and have been left to themselves; which is why they have been dispersed around the world and are only now beginning to be restored.

When the Messiah comes a new and everlasting covenant will be established.

Does that new covenant include the breaking of the heads of sabbath violators and apostates?


Or that was injustice from Torah?

 

[Tumah]

And what if jew breaks law(sabath/apostasy) under Messiah rule?
Will he be killed?

It won't happen. There will no longer be an evil inclination for this.
So what if oranges started eating people?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I hope those backward thinking days have gone.

I hope those backward thinking days have gone.

Yes it fell
For Christ dropped those provisions and kept only on the literary canon
Any spiritual

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

It won't happen. There will no longer be an evil inclination for this.
So what if oranges started eating people?

The current Jews in Israel are evil.
Amongst them u find many sabbathbreakers, apostates and homosexuals.
Are u saying they must be cleansed first?

Or their offspring will become devout never breaking commandments?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

And what if jew breaks law(sabath/apostasy) under Messiah rule?
Will he be killed?

You confuse the law of Moses and the teachings of Christ
The law of Moses and the Torah are special people
And the people is the Hebrew or Jewish people, which the children of Israel
Jews consider Jehovah's ownership of the people of Israel
Judaism is not a missionary religion
For this adherent of the Jewish people one considers himself God's chosen people
But Christ is God revealed to all peoples and his message was a missionary
For this reason, Christ canceled all those teachings of x-mas

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I hope those backward thinking days have gone.
Yes it fell
For Christ dropped those provisions and kept only on the literary canon
Any spiritual

Are u saying there was injustice and backwardism in Torah?
Then God made 180degrees turn in Gospel:allowing homosexuality, apostates , sabbath breakers??


Am i getting this right.

So God was wrong in Torah, and right in Gospel?


In modern times we call that: FLIPFLOPPING

 

[Tumah]

The current Jews in Israel are evil.
Amongst them u find many sabbathbreakers, apostates and homosexuals.
Are u saying they must be cleansed first?

Or their offspring will become devout never breaking commandments?

The second one, yes. Without an inclination to do evil, no one will do evil. Even if they are currently doing something wrong, they will automatically stop.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

The second one, yes. Without an inclination to do evil, no one will do evil. Even if they are currently doing something wrong, they will automatically stop.

Thanks for explaining


But let say there would be now "Jewish State in Israel and Palestine(or Jordan)" , would u agree if the Jewish King/Ruler implemented laws from Torah?

 

[psychoslice]

My question is, what if a Jew did work on the Sabbath ?.

 

[Tumah]

Thanks for explaining


But let say there would be now "Jewish State in Israel and Palestine(or Jordan)" , would u agree if the Jewish King/Ruler implemented laws from Torah?

No, it is not allowed for a Jew to rule the country according to my sect until the Messiah comes.
And also, even if it were allowed, it would not be permitted to harm anyone for not practicing Judaism. So I don't really see much changing from the way it is now.

 

[Tumah]

My question is, what if a Jew did work on the Sabbath ?.

When? Now or in the Messianic age?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

My question is, what if a Jew did work on the Sabbath ?.

Torah says kill that man. Simple as that...


But Christians say there is flipflopping in the Gospel, so all the laws from Torah are thrown out/cancelled.


Maybe the respected rabbi of RF can confirm that or reject that.

 

[psychoslice]

When? Now or in the Messianic age?

Well that's a silly answer isn't it ?.

 

[psychoslice]

Torah says kill that man. Simple as that...


But Christians say there is flipflopping in the Gospel, so all the laws from Torah are thrown out/cancelled.


Maybe the respected rabbi of RF can confirm that or reject that.

Well killing a man from not keeping a silly day, is it worth killing him, I don't think so, that is nothing more than barbaric practise that should have been done away with years ago.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Well killing a man from not keeping a silly day, is it worth killing him, I don't think so, that is nothing more than barbaric practise that should have been done away with years ago.

Well, atheists believe only they are smart and religionists are fools.

I disagree with how Atheists think.


I think Jews should admit without fearing bullying atheists,

 

[Tumah]

Well that's a silly answer isn't it ?.

First of all, that wasn't an answer. It was a request for clarification.
Second of all, the answer depends on when you're talking about.
If you're talking about "now", the answer is "nothing." We have no ability to enforce Torah rule.
If you're talking about in the Messianic Age, then there would be no evil inclination to cause someone to break the Sabbath in the first place.
So you see, it does make a difference whether you're talking about now or during the Messianic Age, since the answer would be different.

 

[psychoslice]

First of all, that wasn't an answer. It was a request for clarification.
Second of all, the answer depends on when you're talking about.
If you're talking about "now", the answer is "nothing." We have no ability to enforce Torah rule.
If you're talking about in the Messianic Age, then there would be no evil inclination to cause someone to break the Sabbath in the first place.
So you see, it does make a difference whether you're talking about now or during the Messianic Age, since the answer would be different.

Look, it doesn't matter what we are talking about, to kill someone over the Sabbath is wrong, simple as that, no excuse whatsoever.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Are u saying there was injustice and backwardism in Torah?
Then God made 180degrees turn in Gospel:allowing homosexuality, apostates , sabbath breakers??


Am i getting this right.

So God was wrong in Torah, and right in Gospel?

You are Muslim
And you want to criticize the Torah in this Education
OK
If the teachings of the Torah wrong
The question of why Muhammad took them ??
Christ told us
If you want to take out the straw from your brother's eye
Then you take out the straw that in your eye
Christ was clear
He considered all the laws of the Torah especially to the people of Israel
He said it's not valid
So I guess that Christ was better than Muhammad
Because he paid with his life to his positions
If your home is made of glass not designed people with stones
Jewish that he considers himself God's chosen people
And the Jews did not accept any creature that shared in this God
But Christ said that it is God to all peoples
That is until people accept his message
Declared his opposition to the laws of the Torah
In humanitarian law, but he accepted the spiritual lawGospel and what it supports my words this
Including Saturday
Samaritan also
The AED widow
There are other positions to Christ prove that he disagreed with the scholars of the Jews
Is Mohammed canceled these teachings from the Koran?
The answer is no
Mohammed made from the teachings of the killing of the apostate and other fixed
And Mohammed also declared that Islam is best UN
I think that the words of Christ apply to you, my friend