If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[godnotgod]

True, superficial effects can be pretty painful! But it does shine some light on the nature of reality, an illusion of sorts, 'everything is information' may be just as applicable

I suppose it would depend on the context, but essentially it's correct, in the sense that things which appear solid, are nothing but energy organized in ways to produce a superficial effect of solidity, weight, color etc

But it's not true in the sense- that this energy cannot take these forms without the inclusion of information, instructions, blueprints specifying exactly how to do it.

So does that conclusion imply an underlying intelligence?

 

[godnotgod]

Obviously he has a good imagination. But again, how is a poetic description of an experience like this relevant to the recent discussion?

Read the entire quote!

Note that he is not describing a poetic experience, but a transcendent one in which he saw into the nature of things.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Read the entire quote!

Explain the relevance. Stop playing silly games.

 

[godnotgod]

Explain the relevance. Stop playing silly games.

Read my edit of the previous post.

I am not going to do your reading for you.

The only games are the ones your mind is playing on itself.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Note that he is not describing a poetic experience, but a transcendent one in which he saw into the nature of things.

What's the difference? He doesn't claim to have literally seen energy and stuff. Note in the quote how he uses "saw" rather than saw.

"As I sat on that beach my former experiences came to life; I ‘saw’ cascades of energy coming down from outer space, in which particles
were created and destroyed in rhythmic pulses; I ‘saw’ the atoms of the elements and those of my body participating in this cosmic dance of energy"

So this bloke had a profound experience of the present. But so what? How is it relevant?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The only games are the ones your mind is playing on itself.

<yawn>

 

[Guy Threepwood]

So does that conclusion imply an underlying intelligence?

If the only alternative left is an infinite probability machine (multiverse).... then yes, I'd say ID is the least improbable explanation, for everything we see around us.

 

[godnotgod]

What's the difference? He doesn't claim to have literally seen energy and stuff. Note in the quote how he uses "saw" rather than saw.

"As I sat on that beach my former experiences came to life; I ‘saw’ cascades of energy coming down from outer space, in which particles
were created and destroyed in rhythmic pulses; I ‘saw’ the atoms of the elements and those of my body participating in this cosmic dance of energy"

So this bloke had a profound experience. But so what? How is it relevant?

He uses quotes to indicate that he did not see actual particles with his eyes, ie; via perceptual reality; but via Ultimate Reality. IOW, he saw into the true nature of things via an awakened consciousness.

Energy is none other than the divine nature ITSELF in ecstatic cosmic dance. Or, as Vivekenanda put it:

"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"

 

[godnotgod]

If the only alternative left is an infinite probability machine (multiverse).... then yes, I'd say ID is the least improbable explanation, for everything we see around us.

Ooooh, careful there. I didn't say 'Intelligent Design'.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

He uses quotes to indicate that he did not see actual particles with his eyes, ie; via perceptual reality; but via Ultimate Reality. IOW, he saw into the true nature of things via an awakened consciousness.
Energy is none other than the divine nature ITSELF in ecstatic cosmic dance. Or, as Vivekenanda put it:
"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"

Pretentious convoluted nonsense and meaningless jargon. The guy had a profound experience, sure, probably the first time he was fully in the present in his life. No big deal though.
Ever heard of Occam's razor?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Ooooh, careful there. I didn't say 'Intelligent Design'.

without the caps then.. intelligent design, designed by intelligence, seems the most logical conclusion for most, how about you?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Einstein did not say that Everything is Energy, and nobody in Physics or any other branch of science says it, either. It's pure pseudoscience.

I think you've nailed it there.

 

[godnotgod]

Pretentious convoluted nonsense and meaningless jargon. The guy had a profound experience, sure, probably the first time he was fully in the present in his life. No big deal though.

Did you get that, while experiencing being in the present, he also 'saw' something the ordinary conditioned mind cannot see, and that he is a physicist who had this experience?

Seeing into the nature of things is not a belief or an imaginary vision.

(Oh, now I know who you are! That Spiney 'Buddhish' guy. ha ha ha...Rumplestiltskin!!!)

 

[godnotgod]

I think you've nailed it there.

Not really. To say that 'everything is energy' is simply to say that all 'material' reality is, in fact, energy.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Frifjof Capra, The Tao of Physics
You can download the entire book for free in pdf format here:
http://selfdefinition.org/science/Frifjof-Capra-The-Tao-of-Physics.pdf

Read it ages ago, perhaps half-a-century. Beautiful book. I did not know that it is available in PDF form. I will sure read it again.

I do not think Fritjof Capra was a living radio-wave receiver or a neutrino counter. It is poetic prose. Love it. I had a similar experience sitting on a bike in front of one of the busiest roads in Delhi. I became an atheist and an advaitist from that moment.

 

[godnotgod]

without the caps then.. intelligent design, designed by intelligence, seems the most logical conclusion for most, how about you?

Intelligence and design are one and the same. Design is the manifestation of form out of formless intelligence, just as the gold chain is at all times pure gold.

 

[godnotgod]

Read it ages ago, perhaps half-a-century. Beautiful book. I did not know that it is available in PDF form. I will sure read it again.

I do not think Fritjof Capra was a living radio-wave receiver or a neutrino counter. It is poetic prose. Love it. I had a similar experience sitting on a bike in front of one of the busiest roads in Delhi. I became an atheist and an advaitist from that moment.

You might like to take a look here as well:

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Philosophy-Fritjof-Capra.htm

 

[Aupmanyav]

Sure, thanks for the link.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

This 'energy that is aware of itself' is a concoction of the mind, which creates the idea of separate 'observer and observed'; of 'this and that'; of 'self and other', where no such duality exists in reality.

Nonsense...you are saying that being self aware, or anything aware of itself, is like imagining they are separate as an observer and observed....

 

[Runewolf1973]

All of which are operative within the world of perceptual reality, which in turn tells us that this is a material world in interaction with itself. But it is Ultimate Reality which tells us that what we see and hear via perceptual reality is not real, just as awakening from a vivid dream tells us that the dragon slayer we knew we were in the dream was purely illusory in nature. So what I am saying here is that, what is 'true' on one level of conscious awareness is not true on the next higher level.

As for eyes, ears, hands, etc. we do know that at some point these tools of perceptual reality become unreliable. That is why the mystic abandons perceptual reality in favor of a higher state of consciousness, one that is beyond the trappings of the five senses.

I'm not interested in any other realities.