My premise is that if God existed God would have to provide the proof because there is no way we could ever get to where God exists and get the proof ourselves.
If God existed would there be proof?
I am not asking if there
could be proof or if there
should be proof, I am asking if there
would be proof.
- If God existed would God provide proof of His existence?
- Does the fact that there is no proof of God's existence mean that God does not exist?
- In other words, could God exist and not provide proof of His existence?
Thanks, Trailblazer
Trailblazer's Questions: If God existed would there be proof?
Ehav4Ever's response: It depends on what a
god is (both what said god defines itself to be and what humans mean by the word "god.") Further, it would also depend on whether or not the word "god" as humans define it correctly defines what they consider their god to be. For example, is a god simple something a human worships or is a god a specific thing like, the creator of reality/universe(s)/the one that established the natural laws of the universe, etc.
Also, it depends on what is considered
proof of such a thing. For example, if the big bang, or the cause of the big bang, could be considered a "god" then one could consider that currently certain people consider the big bang to have a historical reality. What the big bang encompassed and what caused it may be up to speculation but that is a different.
Lastly, if one is saying that said "god" to prove itself would need to make humans aware of its reality one could ask a) how many humans are required, b) why human, c) why should such a god be concerned how many humans accept certain proofs or not, and d) what if said god knows that most humans don't want the kind of proof that said god would provide?
Trailblazer's Questions: If God existed would God provide proof of His existence?
Ehav Ever's Response: Again, it depends on what one considers a god to be and what said god is in reality. If a "god" decided that it doesn't need to prove itself then no. If said "god" doesn't like being called a god and won't listen to anyone that calls it that also maybe not. Also, it could depend on whether or not said god feels that it has already provided enough proof and has determined that most, all, or some humans are not interested in its type of proofs. Also, what universal laws says that a) a "god" needs to prove itself, b) humans haven't already seen the proof, or c) that a proof would change anything in the world? Further, what makes humans so special that a god should prove itself to humans?
Trailblazer's Questions: Does the fact that there is no proof of God's existence mean that God does not exist?
Ehav Ever's Response: See the above responses. Essentially, it depends on what a god is, what proof is, and whether or not said god is satified with the people who feel it has been proven. It also depends on whether or not a god can only be defined as something that humans define as sentience. For example, why can't String Theory be a god? Why not thermodynamics, why not the big bang, etc. Is it possible that something humans define as a god might not like that title or what humans put in their man made definitions for such a word? Also, who is to say that humans even know what sentience really is?
Trailblazer's Questions: In other words, could God exist and
not provide proof of His existence?
Ehav Ever's Response: See the above responses. If there is no concrete universal rule that in reality causes a God to hold by a strict rule of revealing itself then yes. I.e. if a god is not bound by any external rules/boundaries and only is bound by what it chooses then it could easily choose not to provide proof or it could chose to only provide proof to those who want it. If a god doesn't require humans to beleive in it, then yes.
Further, consider the following. Does a god need to provide proof to plants and animals? If not, why are humans deserving of a proof and plants and animals not? Maybe plants and animals already have the proof but it was deemed that humans were not worth the time. Maybe the planets know it, but humans are like flees to a planet and thus humans are not a part of the bigger picture.
Just a few things to consider.