Trailblazer
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That God exists, as that seems to be the concern of atheists...The riddle remains: satisfactory evidence of what, exactly?
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That God exists, as that seems to be the concern of atheists...The riddle remains: satisfactory evidence of what, exactly?
And where is the proof that God is Love?IMO the proof of God is that love
There is evidence that the Messenger is a Messenger from God but I have to have faith in what can never be proven with any evidence, that God spoke to the Messenger.What good is faith when you have evidence?
You mentioned a cat and were talking about the debate about whether God exists.Sorry, I failed to understand what is meant with this in relationship to what Im talking about, can you elaborate?
Was religion and God invented by those that were in high places, and didn't suffer much, to get people in low places, that did suffer much, to get them to be happy and joyful knowing that an invisible God was going to reward them later? He has promised eternal life. He promised to take vengeance against evil people that hurt them. He promised new bodies that could run and not get weary. To some he promised lots of virgins. To others, if they were good, offered them a better reincarnated life.
Lots and lots of things just to get people to do good and be happy no matter how difficult things got. Plus, he told them some of those things he caused... just to test them to get them to grow even more spiritual. Except some of those tests break people.
Did someone disprove all the thousands of deities humans have created that you don't believe exist? Any chance you could forward a pdf of that?
Maybe we should appease Him if he doesn't exist, just to be on the safe side? Are there any virgins to sacrifice?There could be proof if God wanted us to have proof since God is omnipotent, so we can deduce that there is a reason God does not provide proof. From reading the Bible the answer is obvious. God does not provide proof because God wants our faith, and with proof, faith would no longer be necessary.
Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.
Wouldn't it be easier and far more efficient to just present his holiness to everyone in a way that all can experience objectively? Why play around? Just cut to the chase and avoid all the death, destruction, pain, suffering, and confusion.
Prove love.Its not a matter of thinking.
Anything that exists, has proof that it does. Thats simple logic. We may not have discovered them.
But though I'm a non-believer, I'm not an atheist. Rather I'm an igtheist.That God exists, as that seems to be the concern of atheists...
There is only one God, the creator God, and imo anything that did not create us is not our God.
But though I'm a non-believer, I'm not an atheist. Rather I'm an igtheist.
That is, I think the question "Does a real, non-imaginary god exist?" is meaningless unless and until we know what real non-imaginary thing is meant to be denoted by the word "god".
Which plainly we don't ─ unless you have a photo handy.
God loved to drown people (Noah's flood). Does that count?And where is the proof that God is Love?
Are you asking for a description of God?But though I'm a non-believer, I'm not an atheist. Rather I'm an igtheist.
That is, I think the question "Does a real, non-imaginary god exist?" is meaningless unless and until we know what real non-imaginary thing is meant to be denoted by the word "god".
Which plainly we don't ─ unless you have a photo handy.
I'm not imaginary, and I've been working on the assumption that you're not either. But please feel free to correct me if that's wrong.It's okay if God is imaginary, as long as we are too.
Not as love, if it ever happened, but I don't believe most Bible stories are actual historical events.God loved to drown people (Noah's flood). Does that count?
All the descriptions of God that I'm aware of are useless if God is real. Instead they describe God as a composite of imaginary qualities like omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfect, eternal, infinite ─ and so on.Are you asking for a description of God?
I believe that God has objective existence in the sense that God exists in reality, outside the mind, but I cannot give you a physical description of God since God is not a material entity that can be tracked down and seen.All the descriptions of God that I'm aware of are useless if God is real. Instead they describe God as a composite of imaginary qualities like omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfect, eternal, infinite ─ and so on.
But if you have a description appropriate to a real god, one with objective existence (not imaginary, found in the world external to the self) such that if we found a real suspect we could determine whether it was God or not ─ yes, I'd be very interested to know of it.
I'm not imaginary, and I've been working on the assumption that you're not either. But please feel free to correct me if that's wrong.
Meanwhile we're real and God exists only as a concept or thing imagined in individual brains. (If God had objective existence, there'd only be one basic version of [him], and not the thousands or millions of gods that have existed and exist across time and cultures.)
The two are not mutually exclusive.What good is faith when you have evidence?