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If God exists why is he hiding?

outhouse

Atheistically
I just feel if God really does exist, his existence, if it is that important to us, it should be a lot more intuitive than it is. Couldn't he have created evidence of his existence much much clearer than it is if he/she/it exists? Evidence as clear to us as the existence of the moon. He would not punish us for doubting the existence of the moon so why should he punish us for an entity which is far more obscure?

Ive come to the conclusion he is just invisible and illiterate.

he only speaks to those who will listen through the proccess of imagination
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
In my beliefs god is the" essence of life" So why some wish to personify the conept I can only say that god is life.You are life. You experinece god and he is realized. How you percieve god or how you place him is found in your own objectivity!

Plus 1 for this proposition.

I see God as interchangeable with Life and Love. Neither of these are seen with the body's eyes. The effects may be, but Life seems hidden inside of us and inside of physical organisms. To another person, those organisms may be seen 'as life' and not just containing life.

Some say God is as close as (under) your nose, and IMO, that is further away than I would put it. I, often, say go within. God is in you. And yes, God is around you. But if pretending like you are 'not God' and/or God is not in you, and then going 'around' looking for God, I can understand how one might say, God is now here to be found. (er...nowhere to be found)

The first shift in understanding that must occur, is you gotta kinda sorta realize that the body's eyes are not going to 'see' God. Just like the body's eyes cannot see math, nor reason, nor Life, nor Love. If you have the intellectual honesty to make that shift (or really allow for it), then I say it will be impossible to understand God as hiding. Seriously, knock and the door is open. It is that simple.
 

El_Majusi

Member
It is not hiding itself; there are evidences of Its being everywhere around us, and above all in ourselves. Look not in outer space; look in your small world. God is not too high for you, nor are you too low for to reach It. It is your friend, though you may not be aware of it yet. And unto It the most important is not that you believe in It or not, but whether you act good regarding good and evil or not.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Um, we don't? Unless god is incapable of seeing us, how are we hiding from god? If he exists by most theist's definition, he can clearly see that we exist. Yet the opposite is not true. Your attempt to turn the table is empty.
Oh, we hide from God all the time. Just read the various posts written by various atheists who don't dare to admit that there might be a God. Just look around at all the people who self-medicate and dissipate violently. Just look at all of those who wrap themselves up in a false (but very visible) piousity. Just look at the greed, and the avarice, and the envy, and the hate, and the fear. All of these are human attempts to hide from God.

Those same things seem determined to swallow up our own existence in favor of perpetuating their own falsity.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
he only speaks to those who will listen through the proccess of imagination
Sounds infinitely wise to me. I know I don't like talking to folks who don't listen and who refuse to engage the imagination...
 
I just feel if God really does exist, his existence, if it is that important to us, it should be a lot more intuitive than it is. Couldn't he have created evidence of his existence much much clearer than it is if he/she/it exists? Evidence as clear to us as the existence of the moon. He would not punish us for doubting the existence of the moon so why should he punish us for an entity which is far more obscure?

I think he's hiding for the same reason that many thing which only exist in the imagination can be said to be hiding.

*Gasp*

He's not real!

It's really a pointless question because none of the answers given by those who believe in God can be proven or disproven. All it demonstrates is the diversity of rationalisations that people can put forward for their belief in a seemingly shy God.
 

Blackheart

Active Member
Ive come to the conclusion he is just invisible and illiterate.

he only speaks to those who will listen through the proccess of imagination

God is not hiding. He is everywhere. Its just that some refuse to see him. They want him to become a man with two arms and legs and say that he should because we are in his image and that this would prove that he exists. Do the same doubters believe that Jesus was the son of God? I think not. God can be seen by anyone that wants to see him. Just dont try telling him that he has to become human and wear a name tag before u will believe because we both know that the doubters wouldnt believe that either.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I just feel if God really does exist, his existence, if it is that important to us, it should be a lot more intuitive than it is. Couldn't he have created evidence of his existence much much clearer than it is if he/she/it exists? Evidence as clear to us as the existence of the moon. He would not punish us for doubting the existence of the moon so why should he punish us for an entity which is far more obscure?

He's not hiding.
He's waiting for that shell you walk around in to fail.

Your linear existence will produce a unique individual.
He's just waiting to see what stands up from the dust.

As for 'punishing' nonbelievers.....nay.

Nonbelievers simply fail.
They bring it onto themselves.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Oh, we hide from God all the time. Just read the various posts written by various atheists who don't dare to admit that there might be a God. Just look around at all the people who self-medicate and dissipate violently. Just look at all of those who wrap themselves up in a false (but very visible) piousity. Just look at the greed, and the avarice, and the envy, and the hate, and the fear. All of these are human attempts to hide from God.

Those same things seem determined to swallow up our own existence in favor of perpetuating their own falsity.

I don't see how doing all those things can ever be an attempt to hide from God.
If any, it is an attempt to invoke God's attention.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Its just that some refuse to see him.

that implys he is seen by allot of people

we know tha is false.


God can be seen by anyone that wants to see him

LOL ya I have real trouble believing that




we both know that the doubters wouldnt believe that either.

well if there was a god as written, he has forgotten all of you. Not one miracle or magic trick has ever been seen by anyone recently. Ever wonder why??

have you ever thought ancient hebrews created their god how they saw fit to meet the needs of a new culture that had no base religion,??? and then later that same god magically transformed into a 3 in 1 god to meet a new cultures needs ????
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
God is not hiding. He is everywhere. Its just that some refuse to see him. They want him to become a man with two arms and legs and say that he should because we are in his image and that this would prove that he exists. Do the same doubters believe that Jesus was the son of God? I think not. God can be seen by anyone that wants to see him. Just dont try telling him that he has to become human and wear a name tag before u will believe because we both know that the doubters wouldnt believe that either.

Wishful thinking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Jesus4m3

Stop Being Ignorant!
Why do people act like God owes them anything when in reality he doesn't need to do anything for anyone. He created you and that alone should be enough to prove that God does exist. Why would a coincidence create non-coincidence. That doesn't even make any sense at all. Thats what the majority of people believe. And its sad very sad.
 

Cordoba

Well-Known Member
Do you need faith to live on a message or can it be confirmed alone, without faith and without the message if needs be?

The sequence is to read God's Message, then research/study/think, and if convinced move to the faith stage
 
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