If god knew.....

[McBell]

jesus died.

Which proves that god can be killed by mere mortal humans...

 

[ninerbuff]

"So Thomas never touched jesus after he rose from the dead physically?"

yes he did.... but did jesus still die? shed his blood? death is the requirement for sacraficial death. jesus died.

If he rose with a physical body, how did he die? I've NEVER EVER heard of a dead physical body, rise up after 3 days except for this fairy tale. A live physical body in all medical terms ain't dead.

 

[Politesse]

Who's to say that if you didn't take the bullet I would have died? People get shot all the time and live.

So you, uh, wouldn't appreciate the gesture at all? 'Cause you figure you might have lived too? Remind me not to eat any bullets for you, good sir.

 

[Orias]

If I take a bullet for you, but because I am a smart bodyguard, manage to take said bullet in a spot that will easily heal later, is it like I didn't save you at all?

You never know if the bullet was a kill shot, or if it was even going to hit you.

The "Bodyguard" took an unknowing chance at something, risking all for nothing, or nothing for all.

You can't judge things before they happen, for every out come happens because of the following events.

You could lose in a compitition and lose by 1 point, and scoff and say "Yea well, I would have won." But you don't really know that until it happens now do you?

But of course, this argument could be used against the Opposition as well...

Its just a matter of perception.

 

[ninerbuff]

So you, uh, wouldn't appreciate the gesture at all? 'Cause you figure you might have lived too? Remind me not to eat any bullets for you, good sir.

I would appreciate the gesture, but more than anything else, I'd be more concerned about who was shooting at me because you might not be around to take another bullet for me.

 

[javajo]

Which proves that god can be killed by mere mortal humans...

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Jn 10:18

 

[javajo]

If he rose with a physical body, how did he die? I've NEVER EVER heard of a dead physical body, rise up after 3 days except for this fairy tale. A live physical body in all medical terms ain't dead.

The reason Josh McDowell, who wrote "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" could not intellectually refute Christianity was that he was not able to explain away an event in history--the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

[Orias]

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Jn 10:18

WHAT IS THE POINT?

You are carnal, you will die, as am I.

What about dogs, cats, elephant, penguins? Do they die too because they have sinned? Do they go to Heaven or Hell when they die?

Hercules fought the Titans that are Divine. Zues killed Kronos, who was divine.

Seriously what is your point?

The reason Josh McDowell, who wrote "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" could not intellectually refute Christianity was that he was not able to explain away an event in history--the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Prove that Jesus even existed.

And do you not notice the story part of History. Notice the only truths in history is the ones who wrote it down without being challenged. Now why is this? Simply because the people who wrote history crushed the people who strived to express their own potentials.

Don't forget the blood spilt in the name of Jesus. Don't forget the thousands of Pagans and non-believers that got slaughtered simply because they didn't believe.

Ha, don't forget your very own Christian brethern that got executed because they did not worship in an orthodox way!

You preach to love, but do you love those who do not believe? Do you love those who your kin slaughtered?

If so, that is deeply messed up. Last time I checked, I wouldn't kill someone I loved.

 

[javajo]

WHAT IS THE POINT?

Nobody could kill Jesus unless he let them.

Prove that Jesus even existed.

Prove he didn't. Pretty much every historian of any repute acknowledges he existed.

Don't forget the blood spilt in the name of Jesus.

"name" is the key word, they were nominal Christians, in name only.

Peace to you, and I love you, friend.

 

[Orias]

Nobody could kill Jesus unless he let them.

Well considering the time period that could be a logical point. Nobody could kill me either, unless I let them and put my self in that situation. So Jesus let the Romans kill him? That wasn't very smart. I guess its comparable to Jim Jones.

Prove he didn't. Pretty much every historian of any repute acknowledges he existed.

Ha, well Harry Potter says Hogwarts exists. So I guess your right :sarcastic.

"name" is the key word, they were nominal Christians, in name only.

So your not Christian in the name of Jesus, or your Christian, in name only? It is a label they put upon themselves. Anyone can be anything when they label themselves. The reason why Christianity is so successful is because Christianity killed everyone else. Its common knowledge, they teach it in school.

Notice, you said nominal, in relation to. How fallacious you are. How can I expect to have a serious debate with you when you contradict what you say?

Of course they were nominal in name, because they were Christian, if they weren't Christians, then they wouldn't be nominal Christians. Like lutherns, catholics, protestents, they are all nominal Christians...:biglaugh:

Peace to you, and I love you, friend.

Yes, I love me too

 

[Wotan]

The reason Josh McDowell, who wrote "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" could not intellectually refute Christianity was that he was not able to explain away an event in history--the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And the evidence for this event is . . . ?

 

[javajo]

Ok, Orias, its apparent that I am wasting my time here, peace.

 

[javajo]

And the evidence for this event is . . . ?

available on the net if you are interested, but I doubt it.

 

[Wotan]

available on the net if you are interested, but I doubt it.

Really? This is news. Have you told anyone else?

Seems that most believers still have "faith" and insist it is required.
How can they be so-o-o-o wrong?

 

[sojourner]

that jesus was going to die for our sins, and that resurrection was going to happen, then the question is how is this a "sacrifice" if the end result was jesus being raised from the dead? It's like he never died then.

This is an old, tired argument, whose point is not genuine interest, but a very poor attempt at a cheap jab at theology. Find something new.

 

[ninerbuff]

This is an old, tired argument, whose point is not genuine interest, but a very poor attempt at a cheap jab at theology. Find something new.

Take some viagra and call in the morning.

 

[Skwim]

This is an old, tired argument, whose point is not genuine interest, but a very poor attempt at a cheap jab at theology. Find something new.

And guess why it's asked. It's seldom answered, but rather tap danced around just as you're doing here. Dismissing a point on grounds that its superficial, a "cheap jab" in this case, is a old worn dodge. Why not just try addressing it? Unless, of course . . . .

 

[search the scriptures]

mestimia : "Which proves that god can be killed by mere mortal humans..."

only if he (according to the bible) :
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

only if God so wills to be killed by man in the form of a man:
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 

[search the scriptures]

ninerbuff : " I've NEVER EVER heard of a dead physical body, rise up after 3 days except for this fairy tale. A live physical body in all medical terms ain't dead."

" A live physical body in all medical terms ain't dead."

smart... but your question how is jesus' death a sacrificial death is answered in itself : he died physically... that is the requirement of a sacraficial "death" The blood was needed :

Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Heb 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

 

[ninerbuff]

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Jn 10:18

Well if no man could take it, then why not just lay down and die. Why even bother going through the torture of crucifiction? So that we can cry and pity him?