will you be agree ? if yes than its OK, If No, Than why ?
You have to ask Christ if he agrees.
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If i say am christian..
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You have to ask Christ if he agrees.
chinu
chinu
Yes he's agreed, But.. what about you idav ?
Muffled
Jesus in me
From where he will return you think ?
I believe a human does not last long in outer space without a comprehensive vehicle providing a safe environment, so yes, He will return with The New Jerusalem.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Do you have a direct quote?Yes he's agreed, But.. what about you idav ?
chinu
chinu
What else can be more direct than this ?
chinu
chinu
And when ?
1robin
Christian/Baptist
That's a strange question. We are not the standard by which that is judged. I could say yes and be wrong, or someone could say no and be wrong. It is irrelevant whether we agree or not. I will instead tell you what the Bible says a Christian is and you would have to determine the accuracy of your statement.
1. You must recognize that you have sinned and fallen short of perfection and are therefore ineligible to live eternally with God and are not in spiritual union with him.
2. You must then believe that Christ existed, died, and was resurrected and by doing so paid your price and provided his perfection that is applied to your account upon belief.
3. According to Christ in his discussion with Nicodemus in the book of John that faith will produce a spiritual experience with the Holy Spirit that will unite you with God, forgive your sins, and legally apply Christ's perfect record to your account.
There are many other things that happen at the same time. Your name is written in the Lamb's book of life, all sins including future sins are forgiven officially from your record, you have participated symbolically in Christs death and have been resurrected as a new person etc.......
But as for what you are aware of. You will feel a complete alleviation of years of guilt and the depression that comes with sin that you are not aware of until it's gone because it builds up slowly and incrementally. Your conscience will be quickened, and you will feel the presence of the Holy Spirit in your heart and at least at the time, perfect assurance that God and Christ truly exist and love you.
Every one of these is IMO by design, absolute but subjective and not accessible by others and therefore our opinions are pointless. I will not be consulted when the judgment day arrives concerning you.
As for why. God is perfect and will not dwell with imperfection forever. He desires love that is freely given and not forced. He gets these by allowing you freewill which we all use to reject him and sin for at least a time. We therefore can't exist with him in heaven. What can be done as we have nothing to offer that can rectify this. He provides a substitutionary atonement that can be applied to our account by grace through faith. His sacrifice is perfect and that perfection is transferred to our account on the basis of faith given by free will. There after we are legally perfect and can dwell with God. If we have been born again our names are in the book of life and Jesus can't say he never knew us because we have spiritually met him. We are declared perfect and actually made perfect and allowed into heaven. That is an extremely simplistic idea of what actually makes your statement that you are a Christian true or false.
Chrsitians dissagree on if anything is needed in addition to this or after this to keep your standing as a Christian but how you get to be one is almost universally agreed on to be what I have stated by all mainstream denomonations.
chinu
chinu
If someone says that i can understand bible much much better than you, Than will you be agree ?
This is the common subject for debates among people i think, why can't someone say like this ?
This is apart.
chinu
chinu
No this might be subtitled like..Feels like this thread might be subtitled
"Tell Me Why I'm Not Allowed To Saying I'm A Christian?"
"Tell me Non-christians, or people, or christians, or jesus, or bible,.. Why I'm Not Allowed To Saying I'm A Christian?"
No this might be subtitled like..
"Tell me Non-christians, or people, or christians, or jesus, or bible,.. Why I'm Not Allowed To Saying I'm A Christian?"
Fair'nough
chinu
chinu
loll.. i think, will i be to say myself as christian till the coming christmas.Fair'nough
loll.. i think, will i be to say myself as christian till the coming christmas.
I encourage you to stick around. Christmas can use all the 'Christ' that it can muster.
Boo Materialism-mas.
Nice ironic way to celebrate a person's birth, who spent their whole life telling us to 'give it all away'.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Any one can call themselves a Christian
It is a free world.
However the description "True Christian" is meaningless...
It changes with every "Brand" Of Christianity.
It falls on a scale from Liberal Christian Unitarian, to the many forms of "exclusive" Christianity, each with their own "Club Rules" and beliefs.
We have no Idea if Jesus would recommend any of them.
This must be true because this is my 10,000th post.
It is a free world.
However the description "True Christian" is meaningless...
It changes with every "Brand" Of Christianity.
It falls on a scale from Liberal Christian Unitarian, to the many forms of "exclusive" Christianity, each with their own "Club Rules" and beliefs.
We have no Idea if Jesus would recommend any of them.
This must be true because this is my 10,000th post.
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1robin
Christian/Baptist
That is like saying that if you understand what 2 + 2 is then then 4 is correct. There is no ambiguity about what it means to become a Christian. There is some confusion concerning what is required if anything to maintain it. I say there is not but it is open for debate. There is very little debate concerning how to become a Christian however.[/size]
If someone says that i can understand bible much much better than you, Than will you be agree ?
Were you saying that you are satasfied with my answer? I do not think English is your primary language so I am a little confused by your replies.This is the common subject for debates among people i think, why can't someone say like this ?
This is apart.
[/quote] Did you mean a apart or apart? If you are saying a part then I dissagree. There is nothing additional needed to become a Christian only possibly concerning what is needed to maintain that relationship. If you meant apart I have no idea what you were saying. Selah,
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I do not care if someone claims to be a Christian or not. The point was claiming to be one has no value at the judgement. Actually being one is the only thing that will make any difference in the end. Either you had your sins forgiven and were spiritually born again and therefore your name is written in the Lamb's book of life or not.Feels like this thread might be subtitled
"Tell Me Why I'm Not Allowed To Saying I'm A Christian?"
I appreciate you explaining yourself and your feelings on the matter, although the remarks weren't pointed directly at you, but more so at my feeling in general to such a question.
I'm glad you are confident in your beliefs.
I have a different feelings and draw more universal conclusions about what you expressed in rather explicit nature in the last italicized portion of your post.
It's funny how the Christ guides us both, but we come up with variance in our understanding.
:namaste
SageTree
1robin
Christian/Baptist
You are free to think as you wish. However since we are all wagering our souls on the issue I for one require more than a personal opinion to bet on. The Bible records over and over that you must be born again through faith in his death and ressurection and what they means or you are condemned. It also says that there is no other name under heaven by which men may be saved, and only those that truly believe are saved. That is about as exclusive as possible. If you think every one gets in anyway that is a matter of preference not evidence.