Trailblazer
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I said this long before I was every called out.
I have been saying it for years.
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If we ask God for Proof we must be content with one proof.
- Thread starter TransmutingSoul
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I have been saying it for years.
Audie
Veteran Member
I think you know
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Maybe not TB, but other believers in God I certainly would think that they would claim to know for a fact that God is real. If they don't believe it for a fact, then why are they obeying the rules of their religion?
But even Baha'is give up everything to go off to some other place to go preach that "Christ has returned." I gotta believe it's more than just "faith" in a belief that it might be true. They know it's true and some have given their lives claiming it's true.
Now the sad thing is... Christians have done the same thing. So, do either the Baha'is or Christians really know it's true for a fact? In support of TB's position... No they don't. They just let themselves believe it is true and factual... Kind of like getting brainwashed.
I just read another one of TB's posts, saying that God deniers will find out when they die? So, that sure sounds like she believes God is real and true and the "fact" is... we will all find out that he is real when we die. I gotta believe that religious people say it, claim it, and state it, as if it's a fact.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It is not a fact because it has not been proven to be true, but that does not mean it is not true.
It does not need to be a fact in order to be true. That is what you and @F1fan do not understand.
Audie
Veteran Member
The boys of 911 clearly knew for a
fact etc.
Going off to preach doesn't take
remotely that much courage and conviction
Damn right they did, After all they flew planes into buildings doing God's will. Who in their right mind would die for an imaginary God?
Indeed. Any odd person can do it.
Audie
Veteran Member
There you go.
Two "proofs".
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That is the Abrahamic view. Hinduism and other religions have many Gods and Goddesses. This alone breaks the unity of humans that is claimed.
How come then, the LGBTQ are an affront to your God?
You are being autocratic. There are many religions. Some who do not accept the existence of any God. You dislike those?
Religion should not be a school where only one view is taught.
Then, why no female members in your House of Justice?
Science does not say that God created the universe. You say that. So, where is harmony?
Compulsory? That depends on availability of school buildings, teachers and infrastructure*?
The last definitely is a foolish thought. Something that only a chair philosopher can declare. Esperanto?
Bahaollah sitting in his Accra mansion and declaring it does not mean anything. Any one can do that.
*Nations try to do it. It takes time and effort. Here is the Indian story:
Obviously you have lots of question's to ask of God.
It appears that you may have issues with picking just one proof though.
Regards Tony
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Bahaollah was unjust to women and LGBTQ. Really your God is unfair to them, why blame Bahaollah? He was saying what his God wanted.
Bahaollah was well-provided by his followers. He had all the power and leisure as the leader of his group. Had he been a government official, he would have had to listen to his superiors (he was not being made the Wazier of Iran), and even face the possibility of an instant removal if the Shah so desired. He was not being offered the local administrative powers because of his own achievements, but because his father was one at a time and the family was respectable. Otherwise Bahaollah was uneducated. As a religious teacher, he had no such limitations. Even his progeny lead the Bahais from 1892 to 1957 when Allah terminated his line. You are welcome to give any title of your choice to Bahaollah or his progeny.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You need to ask God for that? What have your parents and society taught you?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
If you ask a question from the top of your building, would you get an answer? An answer needs the existence of the answerer.
If there was any, I would gladly accept.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Has he ever helped people? What about people in Ukraine or Gaza? What about people who have suffered in tsunamies, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, floods, droughts, typhoons, tornadoes, diseases like Covid?
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
That makes as much sense as saying it's irrational to think that magical pixies could ever be verified to exist, given the nature of magical pixies. Why would I want to believe in something that can't be verified? Just because it makes me feel good? I don't have any desire to believe things just because they make me feel good. I care about only believing in things that are true.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
What is not a fact is known as 'fiction'.
Not for a critical thinker. A critical thinker will always come up with a way to question any offered proof and seek to test it in numerous scenarios.
Though I suppose if a God came along who was able to pass every possible test of divinity that could possibly be thrown at them, even a critical thinker may grudgingly start to accept their divinity.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
What is not a fact might be true.
For example, before the planet Pluto was discovered in 1930, it was not a fact that Pluto existed, but Pluto existed was true.
Likewise it might be true that God exists and sends messengers is true even it it is not a fact.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Why would you expect something to be verified it it is unverifiable? That makes no sense at all.
I never said that you should believe in something that can't be verified?
I said : But if you cannot believe in a God that cannot be verified that's fine. It will only mean that you can't believe in God.
Nobody should ever believe in God just because it feels good. They should only believe in things that are true.
People should look at the evidence for God in order to determine if it is true that God exists.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
I don't know what to ask for, because - as I said - I haven't been given a definition that allows me to.
Also, perhaps more importantly, if you actually have proof, you could just give it without letting me guess the question first.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
People tend to happily / shamelessly claim that "god miraculously saved" that one guy's cancer or whatever after praying, while at the same time blatantly ignoring the millions upon millions of people who died in great agony while praying for being saved.
They'll also happily ignore the fact that expert doctors were treating the guy's cancer.