If you can't take the heat .... maybe climate change is real!

[Subduction Zone]

It first started with the ozone, then global cooling, then it changed again to global warming, now it changed to climate change.

Most certainly a very confused lot whom just cannot make up their minds.

Global warming and the ozone hole are mostly independent of each other. The Ozone Hole problem was made by freon and other related chemicals. Once those were banned the problem first stopped growing as quickly and is now getting back to normal. That was the easy one to fix.

 

[Yerda]

The hidden story behind India’s remarkable election results: lethal heat | Amitava Kumar

While Indian exit polls didn’t predict the BPJ’s loss of majority, the effects of climate change and increased visibility of religion in politics have long been forecast, says Amitava Kumar

www.theguardian.com

In the days leading to the voting in Patna, there were reports of personnel at polling stations dying from the heat. In the nation’s capital, Delhi, there were protests over water shortages. Last week, the temperature in Delhi hit 49.9C.

This is going to get much worse. In a few decades now were going to start approaching an uninhabitable climate for billions of people.

 

[oldbadger]

Like I said in the past. When people actually see the fire for themselves in their own back yard.

Climates always fluctuate and change.

That's the way it works.

So you do agree that the World's climate is changing? That's a start.

What do you think about the receding glaciers everywhere and the reducing AntArctic Ice? Any ideas?

Of course, if Ice is melting everywhere then sea levels will be rising..........got that?

 

[Twilight Hue]

So you do agree that the World's climate is changing? That's a start.

What do you think about the receding glaciers everywhere and the reducing AntArctic Ice? Any ideas?

Of course, if Ice is melting everywhere then sea levels will be rising..........got that?

I never said it wasn't. I do say it's not at the apocalyptic level that the activists are whining about nor will it be.

 

[Pogo]

I never said it wasn't. I do say it's not at the apocalyptic level that the activists are whining about nor will it be.

And your expert opinion why you know more than climate scientists that it won't be a major problem for humanity?
Details, evidence or I don't want it to happen so lets wait and see?

 

[We Never Know]

Yes we know this and it is nice but humans have never lived with levels of this magnitude and no land animals were alive then. In other words, it is not relevant to the question of what the rise in C02 levels is going to do for the climate that humans have existed in. No-one is saying it is going to wipe out life on earth but it will submerge the land that probably about half the population of earth lives on.

The current CO2 is around 425ppm.
Ask science, that's bad for humans.
Whether it is happening because its natural, man caused, or both..its bad for humans.

Even if its was all natural we would still try to mitigate it some how because its bad for humans.

 

[Pogo]

So you do agree that the World's climate is changing? That's a start.

What do you think about the receding glaciers everywhere and the reducing AntArctic Ice? Any ideas?

Of course, if Ice is melting everywhere then sea levels will be rising..........got that?

And the one that surprised me though it shouldn't have, as the temperature of the water rises, it expands and this is actually the cause of much or most of the sea level rise we are already seeing which is already making Florida coast uninsurable.

 

[We Never Know]

So you do agree that the World's climate is changing? That's a start.

What do you think about the receding glaciers everywhere and the reducing AntArctic Ice? Any ideas?

Of course, if Ice is melting everywhere then sea levels will be rising..........got that?

Antarctica was a tropical paradise 90 mya. No ice. Sea levels were higher. Did earth and life get destroyed?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Trump supporters taken away on stretchers after waiting in 102-degree heat

The former president on Thursday made his first trip to Arizona since late 2022.

www.newsweek.com

"
Nearly a dozen people on Thursday were treated for heat-related symptoms while waiting for Donald Trump's rally in Phoenix, Arizona, an event marking the former president's first visit to the battleground state since late 2022 and his return to the campaign trail after getting convicted of 34 felonies in New York City.

The town hall event, hosted by conservative group Turning Point USA, was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. MST at Dream City Church in north Phoenix. According to local reports, lines of Trump supporters began gathering outside the venue several hours beforehand. The Arizona Republic reported that temperatures soared to 96 degrees by 10 a.m. and that one woman collapsed while standing in line just minutes before the doors opened.

"

I wonder when Republicans are going to start taking climate change seriously. Probably never as long as the oil companies keep giving them billions of dollars.

You do know that Phoenix is a desert, right? 90 degrees is a cool day there.

 

[Pogo]

Antarctica was a tropical paradise 90 mya. No ice. Sea levels were higher. Did earth and life get destroyed?

Not relevant to the current situation but an interesting case of whataboutism to deny reality.
"Researchers investigated when the body starts exerting more energy to keep itself cool at high temperatures. They found that this upper-temperature limit lies between 40℃ (104F) and 50℃ (122F) when the human body stops functioning optimally.Jul 20, 2023 medical news today"

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Heatstroke claims 33 Indian poll workers on last voting day of India's election
by AFP Staff Writers
Lucknow, India (AFP) June 2, 2024

At least 33 Indian polling staff died on the last day of voting from heatstroke in just one state, a top election official said Sunday, after scorching temperatures gripped swathes of the country.
While there have been reports of multiple deaths from the intense heatwave -- with temperatures above 45 degrees Celsius (113 degrees Fahrenheit) in many places -- the dozens of staff dying in one day marks an especially grim toll."

That is just the poll workers, global warming will make much of the world as uninhabitable as Death Valley.

 

[We Never Know]

Not relevant to the current situation but an interesting case of whataboutism to deny reality.
"Researchers investigated when the body starts exerting more energy to keep itself cool at high temperatures. They found that this upper-temperature limit lies between 40℃ (104F) and 50℃ (122F) when the human body stops functioning optimally.Jul 20, 2023 medical news today"

"
Heatstroke claims 33 Indian poll workers on last voting day of India's election
by AFP Staff Writers
Lucknow, India (AFP) June 2, 2024

At least 33 Indian polling staff died on the last day of voting from heatstroke in just one state, a top election official said Sunday, after scorching temperatures gripped swathes of the country.
While there have been reports of multiple deaths from the intense heatwave -- with temperatures above 45 degrees Celsius (113 degrees Fahrenheit) in many places -- the dozens of staff dying in one day marks an especially grim toll."

That is just the poll workers, global warming will make much of the world as uninhabitable as Death Valley.

Humans have evolved and created technology that changes
-the landscape
-destroys habitats
-changes the flow of water
-stops the flow of water
-has covered probably around 3-4% of earth with heat retaining asphalt/concrete
-that try to control weather(cloud seeding)
-pollute the air, land and seas
- etc etc
-we have even changed the wobble of earth.

"An in-depth study conducted by NASA found that humans are responsible for the increasing wobble detected as Earth spins on its axis"

Humans Are Causing Earth To Wobble More As It Spins, NASA Finds

An in-depth study conducted by NASA found that humans are responsible for the increasing wobble detected as Earth spins on its axis.

www.forbes.com

"Cloud seeding creates artificial rain by injecting substances such as silver iodide, potassium iodide, dry ice (solid carbon dioxide), liquid propane, or salt into clouds in order to induce precipitation"

What is cloud seeding (or artificial rain)?

What is cloud seeding? How does it work? Are there any potential risks involved? Can artificial rain be deployed as an effective tool in the fight against climate change?

greenly.earth

"Cloud-seeding programs occur worldwide. In the Western U.S., state and agency-supported efforts occur across California, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, North Dakota, Utah, and Idaho

Making it Snow: A Brief History and Review of the Science Behind Cloud-Seeding

The snow-inducing technique called cloud-seeding has been around for more than 60 years. Although not a panacea for drought-stricken regions, cloud-seeding can increase seasonal precipitation by about 10%. In the Reno area alone, winter cloud-seeding efforts are estimated to add enough water to...

www.dri.edu

We have changed a lot on earth, disrupted and destroyed natural cycles. Its been done to make human life better.(if you want to call it that)

All of the above is just a drop in the bucket.
When you change so much, there will be consequences.

 

[Pogo]

Humans have evolved and created technology that changes
-the landscape
-destroys habitats
-changes the flow of water
-stops the flow of water
-has covered.probaly around 3-4% of earth with heat retaining asphalt/concrete
-that try to control weather(cloud seeding)
-pollute the air, land and seas
- etc etc
-we have even changed the wobble of earth.

"An in-depth study conducted by NASA found that humans are responsible for the increasing wobble detected as Earth spins on its axis"

Humans Are Causing Earth To Wobble More As It Spins, NASA Finds

An in-depth study conducted by NASA found that humans are responsible for the increasing wobble detected as Earth spins on its axis.

www.forbes.com

"Cloud seeding creates artificial rain by injecting substances such as silver iodide, potassium iodide, dry ice (solid carbon dioxide), liquid propane, or salt into clouds in order to induce precipitation"

What is cloud seeding (or artificial rain)?

What is cloud seeding? How does it work? Are there any potential risks involved? Can artificial rain be deployed as an effective tool in the fight against climate change?

greenly.earth

"Cloud-seeding programs occur worldwide. In the Western U.S., state and agency-supported efforts occur across California, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, North Dakota, Utah, and Idaho

Making it Snow: A Brief History and Review of the Science Behind Cloud-Seeding

The snow-inducing technique called cloud-seeding has been around for more than 60 years. Although not a panacea for drought-stricken regions, cloud-seeding can increase seasonal precipitation by about 10%. In the Reno area alone, winter cloud-seeding efforts are estimated to add enough water to...

www.dri.edu

We have changed a lot on earth, disrupted and destroyed natural cycles. Its been done to make human life better.(if you want to call it that)

All of the above is just a drop in the bucket.
When you change so much, there will be consequences.

Do you have a point in bringing up these effects that are miniscule relative to the effects of greenhouse gas emissions?

 

[We Never Know]

Do you have a point in bringing up these effects that are miniscule relative to the effects of greenhouse gas emissions?

The point is in the post.

However no species has ever destroyed, polluted or changed things as much as humans have and are still doing.

Green houses gases have been higher several times. Antarctica was once a tropical paradise(no ice, high sea levels) Earth and life thrived.... Its not bad for earth or much of other life, but its bad for us.

Every species in the homo line before us perished and we will perish too. Unfortunately we will perish by our own hands by trying to make living easier and the consequences that come with that.

 

[Pogo]

The point is in the post.

However no species has ever destroyed, polluted or changed things as much as humans have and are still doing.

Green houses gases have been higher several times. Antarctica was once a tropical paradise(no ice, high sea levels) Earth and life thrived.... Its not bad for earth or much of other life, but its bad for us.

Every species in the homo line before us perished and we will perish too. Unfortunately we will perish by our own hands by trying to make living easier and the consequences that come with that.

Ok, interesting version of fatalism.

 

[We Never Know]

Ok, interesting version of fatalism.

Did it sink into you that we are even changing the wobble of earth. Its just minuscule but damn!! Changing the whole planet wobble is mega scale crazy. That's how much we are changing/disrupting the natural state of things.

 

[Pogo]

Did it sink into you that we are even changing the wobble of earth. Its just minuscule but damn!! Changing the whole planet wobble is mega scale crazy. That's how much we are changing/disrupting the natural state of things.

yeah and groundwater pumping is affecting it too but by trivial amounts relative to the 3 degrees that the earth naturally wobbles every 41000 years or 96000 year orbit around the sun wobble. We can measure really tiny things like the change in day length due to earthquakes etc. It doesn't mean they will change the glaciation cycle on earth by anything even approaching its margin of error in calculation. The change in C02 levels however will change the habitability of earth at rates that or orders of magnitude greater than that causes by the natural wobble of the earth let alone the really small changes that we are making in that rate.

Something about a sense of proportions seems to be missing here.

Rounding off income to the nearest dollar on tax returns is not significant to the national debt even though we can measure it.

 

[We Never Know]

yeah and groundwater pumping is affecting it too but by trivial amounts relative to the 3 degrees that the earth naturally wobbles every 41000 years or 96000 year orbit around the sun wobble. We can measure really tiny things like the change in day length due to earthquakes etc. It doesn't mean they will change the glaciation cycle on earth by anything even approaching its margin of error in calculation. The change in C02 levels however will change the habitability of earth at rates that or orders of magnitude greater than that causes by the natural wobble of the earth let alone the really small changes that we are making in that rate.

Something about a sense of proportions seems to be missing here.

Rounding off income to the nearest dollar on tax returns is not significant to the national debt even though we can measure it.

You can believe its about saving the polar bear, the ice or whatever. Its about saving our own butts, those other things don't really matter.
Our destructive nature and actions show that.

As I posted in another thread.....
"Humans could disappear from earth and earth and 99.999% of the other species would be better off.
We are the most destructive, killing, polluting, wastefull, deadly, habitat destroying, etc species that has ever existed.
In all honestly we are the worse species so far that has ever existed."

Yet we think we are good and special. Tell me how we humans that affect earth and other life/species so adversely on a planetary scale are good and special.

 

[metis]

Climate change is very much real even if some anti-science people believe otherwise.

 

[We Never Know]

Trump supporters taken away on stretchers after waiting in 102-degree heat

The former president on Thursday made his first trip to Arizona since late 2022.

www.newsweek.com

"
Nearly a dozen people on Thursday were treated for heat-related symptoms while waiting for Donald Trump's rally in Phoenix, Arizona, an event marking the former president's first visit to the battleground state since late 2022 and his return to the campaign trail after getting convicted of 34 felonies in New York City.

The town hall event, hosted by conservative group Turning Point USA, was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. MST at Dream City Church in north Phoenix. According to local reports, lines of Trump supporters began gathering outside the venue several hours beforehand. The Arizona Republic reported that temperatures soared to 96 degrees by 10 a.m. and that one woman collapsed while standing in line just minutes before the doors opened.

"

I wonder when Republicans are going to start taking climate change seriously. Probably never as long as the oil companies keep giving them billions of dollars.

Phoenix is a heat island. All cities are. They will be quite a bit hotter than surrounding areas (suburban and rural).
Up to 22°F hotter at night. Glad I don't live in a city.

"According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the annual mean air temperature of a city with 1 million or more people can be 1 to 3°C (1.8 to 5.4°F) warmer than its surrounding areas. On a clear, calm night, this temperature difference can even reach as high as 12°C (22°F) compared to rural areas"

The floor is lava

How concrete, asphalt and urban heat islands add to the misery of heat waves

www.reuters.com

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

And what is it going to take to see what is in front of your face and stop putting off any decision-making.
Like you said in the past, LOL wait till it is undeniable is all you say.
Never mind, I won't even attempt to explain why the current fluctuation is not like anything in the past.

There are audiences for whom explanations are a complete waste of time.