If your deity asked you to kill your child, would you do it?

[Neo Deist]

No, but I would slay that deity, take its place and rule with benevolence instead of diabolical tyranny.

 

[Draka]

Tempting, but no. I'm not really a SB fan. Once you've roasted your own beans you never go back.

I don't think I'd kill my kid if I had one.

What kind of whacko supreme being asks such a thing of its follower just to prove the follower loves it?

Pretty damn sick if you ask me.

Pretty damn sick if you ask any sane person.

you haven't been reading this thread.....or...
your personal opinion is greater than God's.......?

or...that "god" in question is either a complete sadistic psychopath or...does not exist at all.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

shift your perspective.....we are questioning the motives of God

you (God )....want to find a man that favors Spirit above all other things..
ALL other things.

in the world of Abram there is nothing more important than.... a son.

what a man has in this world is more important than God?

If understand the meaning behind the command. That doesnt justify that it is attempted murder and he is blessed by this "action".

If anything, Id probably bless Abraham for saying No. That would show he cares more about life god created rather than a command to kill it.

Blessing because life was saved not because life was killed.

 

[popsthebuilder]

He attempted. Thats the point.




He was blessed for attempted murder.

It cant be justified. Its the christian/judaism/muslim teaching. How do you find wisdom in an innocent persons death?

I don't, and scripture of any Faith I recognize as even partially true does not condone such, including Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

Peace

 

[popsthebuilder]

Does no one see the absurdity of this?

This book has been worshipped for hundreds of years as the word of God. It reads like a psychopath's journal.

Sorry. Kind of off topic. I'm just incredulous.

The book isn't worshipped. The One Creator GOD is.

 

[RRex]

The book isn't worshipped. The One Creator GOD is.

Adherents live and swear by its contents. The book is worshipped right along with its alleged author.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I feel the cosmos has always been, we are probably only one in many, but it needs no label, for we as this little speck of dust on this rock called earth could never possibly know, in fact we are part of the cosmos, collectively all is God, until you start separating it and labelling each part, and making up all sorts of theories, and wonderful words, and making idols out of that concept, such as religion.

It is true that all existence is of GOD, but that is a far cry from the fullness there of. Religion isn't an idol, placing anything above the Known direction of God is idol worship.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Adherents live and swear by its contents. The book is worshipped right along with its alleged author.

No, it is used as a guide, and someone who thinks it was literally written by the One Creator GOD, are quite confused. One that worships a book would indeed be worshipping an idol, which is expressly spoken against.

 

[Thief]

I feel the cosmos has always been, we are probably only one in many, but it needs no label, for we as this little speck of dust on this rock called earth could never possibly know, in fact we are part of the cosmos, collectively all is God, until you start separating it and labelling each part, and making up all sorts of theories, and wonderful words, and making idols out of that concept, such as religion.

I have no religion.
I use nouns to express what I believe.

 

[Thief]

If understand the meaning behind the command. That doesnt justify that it is attempted murder and he is blessed by this "action".

If anything, Id probably bless Abraham for saying No. That would show he cares more about life god created rather than a command to kill it.

Blessing because life was saved not because life was killed.

the event is more than the life in blood
Blood is more important that spirit?

I haven't seen the background question come forward yet.....
there's a point missing....and I haven't seen anyone touch upon it.

 

[popsthebuilder]

the event is more than the life in blood
Blood is more important that spirit?

I haven't the background question come forward yet.....
there's a point missing....and I haven't seen anyone touch upon it.

This existence is temporal. The one spirit that binds all is eternal. So yes spirit is more important than blood in that case.

 

[Thief]

This existence is temporal. The one spirit that binds all is eternal. So yes spirit is more important than blood in that case.

so...you can see that an Entity of Spirit might well ask such a task?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

the event is more than the life in blood
Blood is more important that spirit?

I haven't the background question come forward yet.....
there's a point missing....and I haven't seen anyone touch upon it.

Blood is life. (As stated by many christians and christian like faiths)

To live life in full is a blessing from the spirits. To age and to pass natually is how how bodies are made.

The events (abraham, moses, christ, priests in leveticus, and so forth) of sacrifice from lamb to human is unneeded. God can be creative to not use blood in order to scapegoat and later used to "wash away" sin.

Life is sacred. There are people who daily struggle to stay alive and live it the best they can. I mean, coming from brain sugery and clinical depression, makes life much more worth the living. If I (or god told a other to) kill myself, its defeating the purpose of life (and to many the life I was "given")

Its like suicide or homicide. The latter didnt choose to die. But the murderer felt it was in his right to take the victim's life.

No one has that right. No one. Not even god.

If human ane animal sacrifice is part of your belief, why defend or try to justify it?

Some of us will just see "one person was told to kill another and said it was good". Justification and explanation doesnt change this fact.

If you cant see whats wrong with that, I dont know how else so far to say let you "understand" what I say even though unfortuntely you disagree.

 

[Thief]

Blood is life. (As stated by many christians and christian like faiths)

To live life in full is a blessing from the spirits. To age and to pass natually is how how bodies are made.

The events (abraham, moses, christ, priests in leveticus, and so forth) of sacrifice from lamb to human is unneeded. God can be creative to not use blood in order to scapegoat and later used to "wash away" sin.

Life is sacred. There are people who daily struggle to stay alive and live it the best they can. I mean, coming from brain sugery and clinical depression, makes life much more worth the living. If I (or god told a other to) kill myself, its defeating the purpose of life (and to many the life I was "given")

Its like suicide or homicide. The latter didnt choose to die. But the murderer felt it was in his right to take the victim's life.

No one has that right. No one. Not even god.

If human ane animal sacrifice is part of your belief, why defend or try to justify it?

Some of us will just see "one person was told to kill another and said it was good". Justification and explanation doesnt change this fact.

If you cant see whats wrong with that, I dont know how else so far to say let you "understand" what I say even though unfortuntely you disagree.

not even God.?...the Almighty

the Lord gives ...the Lord takes away...
so I've heard.

apparently you can't see the event from God's point of view.

why ask a man to kill his son?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

not even God.?...the Almighty

the Lord gives ...the Lord takes away...
so I've heard.

apparently you can't see the event from God's point of view.

why ask a man to kill his son?

I cant see it in gods view because I assume when you create life, you should value it. When that life dies natually, that persons spirit returns to god.

I could never see a smooth correlation between giving a life ans having the right to take.

Reminds me of abortion and capitol punishment.

Its sad.

EDIT

If anything, (If I were god) Id probably bless Abraham for saying No. That would show he cares more about life god created rather than a command to kill it.

 

[popsthebuilder]

so...you can see that an Entity of Spirit might well ask such a task?

Indeed, but not the Holy Spirit. There isn't a case in any scripture where it is condoned to do such in full. The only acceptable sacrifice is that of self(greed). It is well documented I'm scripture that no sacrifice of any sort is pleasing to GOD, but that of self or that attained in this realm.

 

[Useless2015]

Your "what if" question doesn't make any sense. You ask what if my child becomes something later in life while we are talking about the possibility of killing them as a child. We would not know what they would become later when asked to kill them now, now would we? Unless you suppose me clairvoyant. Your "what if" could only be considered upon reaching that age. And if, as you say, my child were to kill me, then I would be able to do nothing about it now would I? How am I to answer "yes or no" to any of that? I can't. Makes no sense. Unless you'd like to rephrase the question to something actually able to be answered?

The question in the first post can also not be answered. So why did you answer a question that you are not able to answer? Surely like you said, you dont know what will happen in the future.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because it wasn't attempted.

How do you figure?

 

[Draka]

The question in the first post can also not be answered. So why did you answer a question that you are not able to answer? Surely like you said, you dont know what will happen in the future.

The question has to do with a present happening. If now, if what you perceive as your god, were to ask you to kill your child, would you do it? That supposes a present happening. You simply asked what if they were to grow up and be a mass murderer. Now, if that information was to be used during the making of the decision of killing them as a child then is it something revealed by the supposed god? And if the god knew that much then why was the child born in the first place? And why wouldn't the god take care of that themselves? Do we know this information? How do we know this information? What does this information have to say about said god in the first place?

Simply, your question either relies upon clairvoyant knowledge, the source of which is in question, or cannot be known until may years later. So, again, how can one answer it with a "yes or no" as you wanted me to answer?

 

[popsthebuilder]

How do you figure?

Attempted murder is a law of man. The law wasn't established at the time of Abraham but it it had been he still wouldn't be guilty of it as he didn't actually attempt murder but stopped prior to the actual attempt.