Depends on the Hindu. In my case, its both, Supreme God, and other Gods. In Kirran's case, its aspects of the one supreme. So it varies by sect and school.
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I'm a Hindu that believes in Jesus
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Reggie Miller
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How can I show you where Jesus is buried when He isn't there because He rose from the dead as the scripture says?
Satyamavejayanti
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Namaste,
There are some ways i can think of to make Jesus fit somewhere into Hinduism, it is by ensuring that Jesus as a historical figure is not important but the teachings are more important, also if the claim that one has to believe in Jesus to be saved is removed or not recognized, also the claim that there is a eternal Hell/Heaven must not be part of the teachings of Jesus, also Jesus is but one Avatar of Vishnu and it must be recognized that Vishnu has to take birth into Human form every Kalpa and every Yuga, also the claim that Jesus is the only way must be removed and replaced with Jesus as being one of many ways, Also the worship of Jesus Murthi in Churches must also have Murthi of Rama, Krishna, Ganesh ect, Also the first Deva worshiped in Churches must be Ganesha as it is ordained by Shiva that Ganapati is always first worshiped so any worship or prayer to Jesus must be after Puja to Ganesha, Also and probably the foremost IMHO, is to place Jesus below Dharmah, to ensure that it is Dharmah that is more important and followed rather then Jesus.
Hope you find the right path for you
I was at first a little surprised at the amount of Hindus who believe in an eternal heaven or hell. It seems that for some Hindus, the idea of the normative Abrahamic heaven has replaced moksha. Many Hindus even speak of "going to moksha" after they've done good in enough lives.
There's a guy I know living at an ashram, hasn't become a sannyasin yet but I reckon he will in a few months now, and one of the swamis there has helped him to see that Jesus is his ishta deva.
As for worshipping Ganesha first - not all Hindus do this. I do it in my own puja, yes, but there's only One at the end of the day, and some people don't go worshipping Ganesha before worshipping Shiva, or Mother, or Krishna.
you made the claim did you not? If you are admitting now that there is no reliable evidence for the claim, retract it. End of story.
From my personal POV, at some point this has to be classified as non-Hindu. I mean, anyone can say anything regarding what they are. I can say I'm Welsh, and you can say you're Canadian. If a person lists their 10 most important beliefs, and 9 out of 10 align with a religion they are saying they aren't, and only one aligns with their stated religion, an observer starts to question their knowledge of it all.
I've met the type you describe above, and all I can say is that it's my belief that the Christian schools of India and Sri Lanka have had their lasting effects. As a Father Brown of Jaffna was quoted. `They may never be good Catholics, but neither will they be good Hindus. So the evangelical goal is half-accomplished.
Jedster
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Seems to me that Reggie is saying the fact that he isn't there proves that he rose from the dead. Obvioulsy a faith statement.
Satyamavejayanti
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Namaste,
This i think has a lot to do with the influence of Christianity especially to people in western countries. But In Fiji it would be rare to meet those Hindus who believe in Heaven and Hell.
I wounder if the person has a Christian background to begin with, swamis are notorious for assuming its all the same.
A small quick Puja at home or before going to work where one just does Namajapa without specifically doing Ganesha first is ok, but i was more referring to large temple Pujas, i dont know of any that disregards Ganapati.
Reggie Miller
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Oh, the evidence is there as I stated above. Christ's death, burial and resurrection are all well documented. The Jews can show you where He was crucified and where He was buried. Of course they can't show you His remains.
As before, please provide credible links demonstrating there exists any reliable historical information whatsoever about where,when and how Jesus was buried.
Reggie Miller
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Are you unfamiliar with NT scripture? That's a good place to start.
Why would I give historical credence to the claims regarding Jesus's burial written in a manuscript created for propaganda purposes by the partisans of that religious group?
Servant_of_the_One1
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ajay0
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The Holy Scriptures were actually compiled and edited by the Romans themselves in the council of constantinople in the fourth century a.d. Till then the Christians were persecuted by the Romans and even thrown to the lions in the Colloseum. The alleged conversion of Constantinople to Christianity in the fourth century, lead to the Romans ceasing their hostility to Christianity,and editting the christian scriptures.
From what I know, much of the scriptures were deleted by the Roman editors because of passages they felt were not compatible with the sensibilities of the Roman culture and traditions. The romans were basically a warmongering lot and were well-versed in war, political science and administration, but lacked proficiency in spirituality. I believe the editting was done in accordance with the Roman conditioned mindset of those times, which was basically fascist and machiavellian. Incidentally you can see that these two terms itself originated in Italy later on.
I don't think the edited version is similar to the original version as taught by Christ and there is a substantial difference between the two.
Very interesting , you are suggesting an equation which somewhat is Jesus minus Christianity .
And from BK perspective we see Ganesha as the symbolic representation of knowledge , ones intellectual faculties which save one from laboring . So Jesus would suggest to me the personification of Ganesh ( knowledge) in Christianity , so Jesus can be as much adored as Ganesha , the essence is the same only the pictures differ.
As for Dharma , I see each religion suggests a different way of living and what all you had subtracted from the equation above is the Christian Dharma .
I am also very much interested in knowing what constitutes your Dharma which makes it "The Eternal Path" (Santana Dharma), as you have suggested that there can be many paths then what makes yours The Eternal one.
It is a little tricky when the people saying this are Hindus living in Varanasi (and of old Hindu castes, while we're at it). I do see your point. But it's 'unenforceable'. Religion is more about group identity, I think.
And just like the 99 Names of Allah, IMO.
Reggie Miller
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So you reject the NT out of hand as genuine scripture. Then I will also reject everything you have to say out of hand because none of it is genuine scripture. End of discussion. Have a nice day.
Historical credibility of each and every piece of information in any ancient document has to be demonstrated and cannot be assumed aproiri. If you take things written in a particular book on faith then that is your problem. That is not how the study of history works.