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I'm a Hindu that believes in Jesus
- Thread starter ronki23
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For example?
ajay0
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Conservative Hinduism does not accept any deity outside the fold of Brahman and the gods.
But modern unorthodox Hinduism as represented by the Yogoda Foundation, the Ramakrishna Mission, the Satya Sai Baba Mission, the Mata Amritanandamayi Mission , Art of Living (Sri Sri Ravi Shankar) accepts other deities as well such as Jesus and Allah on the grounds that they are consistent with the tenets of Hinduism.
The Mata Amritanandamayi Mission even gives mantras in the name of Jesus or Allah to Christians and Muslim spiritual aspirants.
Sree Ramakrishna himself worshipped Jesus as he had worshipped Allah as per his doctrine and teachings of the unity of all religions, and had visions of the Christ.
So yeah, you can see yourself as a Hindu who believes in Christ.
Also there are many scholars and saints who had stated that Jesus had visited India during the 'unknown years' of his life as a teenager and youth , and spend considerable time there studying hindu-buddhist scriptures and yoga.
His psychic powers have been attributed to his study and practice of yoga, and many of them are similar to that listed in the Yoga Sutra's or Raja Yoga.
Geographically speaking too, this is highly probable because the famous ancient Silk Route easily connects the geographical regions of Israel and India, and Jesus could have easily hitchhiked the numerous merchant wagons that passed through this commerical route to get to India and back to Israel.
Similarly , if you look at Christ's teachings as well, you can see an uncanny similarity between Christianity and Hinduism-Buddhism.
Jesus stated ,"I and my Father are one" , which is in conformity with the Upanishadic dictum 'Aham Brahmasmi -- I am He. '
Similarly Jesus's teachings of non-violence, loving your neighbour, renunciation,monasticism, celibacy are similar to that in Buddhism and do not have a background in Judaism.
The use of bells, rosaries, incence, vegetarianism on Friday for Catholics, worship of Mary can also be traced back to Hindu-buddhist influence.
Of course, but if they are not in the canon of Protestantism, I do not study them. Neither history or a council made by men will help me understand the Bible. However some creeds are a good summary of Christian beliefs.
Fair enough for what it is.
What it is not, however, is any support for your previous claim about the evidence for Jesus' existence.
Your problem is that you reject the gospels and that with no evidence they are not valid,
Also Jesus is mentioned by at least 2, and I think 3, secular historians.
also, you see to accept the accounts of Plato and Aristotle on much less evidence. That is being inconsistent. Why do you accept those accounts but not the gospels?
I reject the Gospels because I see them for what they are - texts with limited religious value, far more allegorical than most Christians admit and of often dubious interpretation.
But that is hardly my problem, Omega. Rather, it is a problem for those who hold this odd expectation that non-Christians are somehow bound to justify not adopting the Bible as their scripture.
That is a very odd expectation to have, and one that hints that many Christians are all-out confused about how this "religion" thing is supposed to work.
To the degree that I accept their writings, I do not attempt to justify claims of miracles on those.
Meet me again once you have attained a functional understanding how the duty of supporting one's claims work, ok?
Reggie Miller
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Well, if you're not interested in learning anything...
Reggie Miller
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Deflecting again, I see. The "apocryphal gospels" have been thrown out as fakes.
You hold a rather exotic worldview, if your understanding of "deflection" is any indication.
Not fakes. Diverging from the line favored by the authorities of the time.
Reggie Miller
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Fakes. Arose by those who were enemies of Jesus Christ. Lies.
That is assuming a lot. Which would be fine, were you not expecting others to take those assumptions as known facts.
Reggie Miller
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No assumption at all. The Church has investigated all such nonsense and concluded it to be lies. I'm sure the Church has spent more hours investigating such claims than hours you have been alive.
Dodging is the typical response of ignorant proclaimers.par for the course.
Good for it. You may want to ask them what they found out, since it is such an importante matter for you.
I am a "Village Hindu" as well as a Western Hindu.
As a Western Hindu (since 8 years old), I am familiar with the "Christian Hindu" genre of the 1960s and early 70s in San Francisco, California. There was also another genre called "the Magic Christians" who were not Hindu but Jesus Freaks.
So I knew (actually very well) the "Naked Jesus of Haight Ashbury" aka "Crazy Jack" who actually was a white Hindu and not a Christian, but he "didn't have a problem with Jesus" viz Jesus is Just Alright by Me genre and would occasionally reference the "Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ" to get hippies interest but he would pull them into Hinduism. Funny thing is, his name wasn't actually Jack, it was John and I knew him and his full name but nevermind that.
So sometimes these "Christian Hindus" would stop by at an apartment where "Jack" would be hanging out with clothes on (otherwise sometimes he went around stark naked - thus the "Naked Jesus" moniker even though he was a Hindu ascetic - he also spent a lot of time in retreat living in the forests of California and was very athletic sort), and overall these folks were very nice.
So personally, I do not have a problem with "Christian Hindus", most I knew were cool people and very pretty souls. There are pretty souls and ugly souls - these were pretty souls. And often, were fantastic Hindus. Basically they are mostly Hindu but mix in New Age.
As a Western Hindu (since 8 years old), I am familiar with the "Christian Hindu" genre of the 1960s and early 70s in San Francisco, California. There was also another genre called "the Magic Christians" who were not Hindu but Jesus Freaks.
So I knew (actually very well) the "Naked Jesus of Haight Ashbury" aka "Crazy Jack" who actually was a white Hindu and not a Christian, but he "didn't have a problem with Jesus" viz Jesus is Just Alright by Me genre and would occasionally reference the "Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ" to get hippies interest but he would pull them into Hinduism. Funny thing is, his name wasn't actually Jack, it was John and I knew him and his full name but nevermind that.
So sometimes these "Christian Hindus" would stop by at an apartment where "Jack" would be hanging out with clothes on (otherwise sometimes he went around stark naked - thus the "Naked Jesus" moniker even though he was a Hindu ascetic - he also spent a lot of time in retreat living in the forests of California and was very athletic sort), and overall these folks were very nice.
So personally, I do not have a problem with "Christian Hindus", most I knew were cool people and very pretty souls. There are pretty souls and ugly souls - these were pretty souls. And often, were fantastic Hindus. Basically they are mostly Hindu but mix in New Age.
Actually since you have no evidence that are not valid, you see them for what you think they are. For anyone who understands them, they have great spiritual and literal truths that comfort the soul. While there is much figurative language, and I admit, more than most Christians admit, it also contain more literal truth. Also all Biblical allegories are based on a literal, historical event. interpretation only seem dubious to those who can't understand the Bible. It is amusing that skeptics prove the accuracy one verse in the Bi ble---I Cor 2:14.
It is not Christians who are confused, it is non-Christians. I have never seen a Christian expect a non-Christian to justify not adopting the Bible as their Scriptures. No one is born a Christian. Adopting the Bible is a personal decision between man and God. It requires an open mind and the desire to know the truth and prayer. The most intelligent person in the world needs those 3 elements to adopt the Bible as their Scriptures.
I don't try to justify miracles, I just point to the omnipotent Creator. If He can speaks the universe into being, turning water into wine is a piece of cake.
I am not here to support anything. I simple tell what I believe and why I believe it. I don't expect non-believes to accept what I believe and that's fine. Forums are for discussing various beliefs.
You can't support what you believe/not believe. All you can do, is what I do---say what it is and why you believe it/disbelieve it.
I hope some of what I post will help someone sitting on the fence to jump off on the right side.
Just for clarification, did you mean that Jesus travelling to India is the knowledge, or the belief that he did by a few people is the knowledge?Ronki23,
I would also like to add the fact that the Ahmediyyas, a progressive sect of Islam, holds the belief that Jesus Christ had survived the crucifixion, travelled to India and died there.
Perhaps this piece of knowledge might be of interest to you.