Im a leftie...

[dawny0826]

In all seriousness, a guy who used to work for me was in the habit of hunting deer with nothing but a large knife.

Isn't that more barbaric than an instant kill via gun?

I'm imagining people running through the brush (or forest) wild and barbaric and launching themselves like flying squirrels onto their prey.

Isn't there a a bit of grace to a swift and (likely) less painful kill?

 

[Poeticus]

In all seriousness, a guy who used to work for me was in the habit of hunting deer with nothing but a large knife.

Yo, that reminds me: deers are freakin' psycho. They'll beat the crap out of people if given the opportunity.

 

[Me Myself]

The lion/lioness should use his/her teeth and claws; and, the human should use his/her teeth and nails.
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Why? Its arbitrary.

If you judge a horse by how he goes up a stream of water swimming against a fish, you would think the horse is inferior to the fish. Each animal has its strengths. The claws and teeth are those of the lion, and in this context, guns are those of the human.

The problem is the lack of heart for which they hunt in the first place.

 

[Me Myself]

Isn't that more barbaric than an instant kill via gun?

I'm imagining people running through the brush (or forest) wild and barbaric and launching themselves like flying squirrels onto their prey.

Isn't there a a bit of grace to a swift and (likely) less painful kill?

I have no idea why they are evaluating how cool the hunter is instead of how wrng it is to kill for pleasure either or the suffering of the animal.

 

[Father Heathen]

There's nothing outlandish about using a gun because it's customary to use a gun -- and anything that's customary is not outlandish. However, it's genuinely questionable whether it's sporting to use a gun. What chance does the prey have against a high powered rifle? I've known ever older children to kill large animals with a high powered rifle, and if a child can do it, what sport is there for an adult to do it?

First you must locate your prey without it being aware of your presence, then hit the (potentially moving) target from a distance on the first shot. If you miss, your prey isn't going to stick around for a second shot. Firing a gun accurately over a good distance is a bit more difficult than it looks. That said, I think hunting is only acceptable if A.) the animal is not endangered and B.) the kill serves a useful purpose, such as for food.

 

[Poeticus]

The problem is the lack of heart for which they hunt in the first place.

Then, the human should not hunt.

 

[Me Myself]

Then, the human should not hunt.

Thats my point. S/he doesnt need to hunt anymore.

We moved beyond that.

 

[Poeticus]

Meh, she has balls, the problem is that she has the same lack of heart than millions of others by accepting the kill for pleasure.

This si what we do when we buy meat, which is more expensive than vegetables and devalues life for the purpose of habit and gastronomical pleasure.

I have no idea why they are evaluating how cool the hunter is instead of how wrng it is to kill for pleasure either or the suffering of the animal.

Hunting for the "thrill"....I don't agree with. <----my opinion

 

[Me Myself]

First you must locate your prey without it being aware of your presence, then hit the (potentially moving) target from a distance on the first shot. If you miss, your prey isn't going to stick around for a second shot. Firing a gun accurately over a good distance is a bit more difficult than it looks. That said, I think hunting is only acceptable if A.) the animal is not endangered and B.) the kill serves a useful purpose, such as for food.

Why is the food any important?

You dont need to eat animals. People eat animals for pleasure, not for survival needs. Unless you are a tribe in the amazonia.

If a serial killer happened to be a cannibal too, it doesnt change the fact that he didnt need to kill to eat.

Its unnecessary. Its done for "sport" for "fun"

 

[Father Heathen]

I have no idea why they are evaluating how cool the hunter is instead of how wrng it is to kill for pleasure either or the suffering of the animal.

Gastronomical pleasure.

 

[dawny0826]

First you must locate your prey without it being aware of your presence, then hit the (potentially moving) target from a distance on the first shot. If you miss, your prey isn't going to stick around for a second shot. Firing a gun accurately over a good distance is a bit more difficult than it looks. That said, I think hunting is only acceptable if A.) the animal is not endangered and B.) the kill serves a useful purpose, such as for food.

I didn't realize how hard it is to aim, let alone hit a target. Can you imagine me trying to hit a moving target?

 

[Sunstone]

Isn't that more barbaric than an instant kill via gun?

If I can recall now, his technique was to bathe in scentless soap for three days before the hunt. Then he would get out before dawn, wait in ambush -- sometimes all day -- along a deer trail. He would then spring at the stag as it walked by. He told me he struck for the heart, the kills were typically quick.

 

[Father Heathen]

Why is the food any important?

You dont need to eat animals. People eat animals for pleasure, not for survival needs. Unless you are a tribe in the amazonia.

If a serial killer happened to be a cannibal too, it doesnt change the fact that he didnt need to kill to eat.

Its unnecessary. Its done for "sport" for "fun"

If consuming meat is morally wrong, then I am evil and am at peace with that. :devil:

 

[Father Heathen]

If I can recall now, his technique was to bathe in scentless soap for three days before the hunt. Then he would get out before dawn, wait in ambush -- sometimes all day -- along a deer trail. He would then spring at the stag as it walked by. He told me he struck for the heart, the kills were typically quick.

If he still does this, he should equip a GoPro camera and upload it to youtube.

 

[dawny0826]

Why is the food any important?

You dont need to eat animals. People eat animals for pleasure, not for survival needs. Unless you are a tribe in the amazonia.

If a serial killer happened to be a cannibal too, it doesnt change the fact that he didnt need to kill to eat.

Its unnecessary. Its done for "sport" for "fun"

I don't need to eat meat, but, it's a great source of protein and a lot of it tastes great.

It's not odd to kill and utilize animals for food. You're totally entitled to your opinion and I respect it. But, I find it asinine when those who won't eat meat due to their own moral convictions, try to shove their agenda down the throats of others.

Those of us who partake in meat really don't care if you find it unnecessary.

Those of us with decency do not support unethical treatment of animals, while they are living.

 

[dawny0826]

If I can recall now, his technique was to bathe in scentless soap for three days before the hunt. Then he would get out before dawn, wait in ambush -- sometimes all day -- along a deer trail. He would then spring at the stag as it walked by. He told me he struck for the heart, the kills were typically quick.

Wow. In all seriousness, that is pretty hard core.

Though different, I don't understand how her brand of hunting is less strategic or requires less skill.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't need to eat meat, but, it's a great source of protein and a lot of it tastes great.

It's not odd to kill and utilize animals for food. You're totally entitled to your opinion and I respect it. But, I find it asinine when those who won't eat meat due to their own moral convictions, try to shove their agenda down the throats of others.

Those of us who partake in meat really don't care if you find it unnecessary.

Those of us with decency do not support unethical treatment of animals, while they are living.

We are natural omnivores, after all. :hotdog:

 

[Sunstone]

Though different, I don't understand how her brand of hunting is less strategic or requires less skill.

I used to hunt -- using a rifle -- but I can't see myself doing what Kelly does. For one thing, I think I'd hit a rib with the knife, rather than get between them to the heart. He invited me to go with him one fall, but I just couldn't see myself succeeding at it, so I turned him down. Now, I kinda wish I'd gone along just to observe. I have nothing against hunting for food -- which is what Kelly was doing.

Kelly was one of my best employees, by the way, he would take the initiative -- create projects for himself, then accomplish them. I wonder if that character trait of his had anything to do with his hunting style.

 

[Poeticus]

I don't need to eat meat, but, it's a great source of protein and a lot of it tastes great.

It's not odd to kill and utilize animals for food. You're totally entitled to your opinion and I respect it. But, I find it asinine when those who won't eat meat due to their own moral convictions, try to shove their agenda down the throats of others.

Those of us who partake in meat really don't care if you find it unnecessary.

Those of us with decency do not support unethical treatment of animals, while they are living.

The best meat I ever had was when I hunted a deer using a Savannah Longbow by Martin using wooden shafts (arrows). I waited all day with a friend for him.

I would have used my hands, but that's illegal, as far as I know.

Me no breaky breaky da law.

 

[dawny0826]

I used to hunt -- using a rifle -- but I can't see myself doing what Kelly does. For one thing, I think I'd hit a rib with the knife, rather than get between them to the heart. He invited me to go with him one fall, but I just couldn't see myself succeeding at it, so I turned him down. Now, I kinda wish I'd gone along just to observe. I have nothing against hunting for food -- which is what Kelly was doing.

I have a question for you. Do you see harm for hunting for sport, well aware that your kill be used for food? That was the case with Melissa. She paid to hunt on a conservancy and the money collected is used for the betterment of the property, used to combat poaching and the meat is given to the locals.