I'm Leaving

[Kenny]

It's my opinion.
But it might be true.

Are your beliefs are true?

Certain beliefs are certainly true though you might disagree.

 

[Rival]

How did religious fundamentalism become conjoined with fiscal conservatism, especially considering that the teachings and examples of Christ are antithetical to cutthroat capitalism?

I wouldn't consider it fundamentalism, just traditionalism.

Capitalism has been around since the Middle Ages and had been fully incorporated into Christianity. Very few find it problematic.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Funny, because laying out my premises in a logical sequence as I was taught in my philosophy classes is exactly what I did and was called emotional.

Pissed me off.

I think the idea of logic is being misunderstood. It's not being used in the Ancient Greek sense. Those arguments can be logically made but still wrong. This is what I mean by logic.

Can you explain more? And how do you understand the concepts of valid and sound in regards to deductive logic?

 

[Father Heathen]

His wife might have a different viewpoint and she knows him a lot better than you.

Lately Trump has been seen accompanied by Lara Loomer far more often than he has with Melania (which is not at all). Let's not forget Trump's sordid history of adulatory.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Woke is forcing people to live in an increasingly socially left wing world where they hate the things conservatives love and seek to do. Woke hates nuclear families, it hates the social norm of heterosexuality, it seeks to include the most bizarre and deranged fetishes as socially acceptable, it tells women that being a single mom is acceptable. It seeks to destroy the very way of life of conservatives and treat us like scum.

Well, my part of the world would be among the most anti-"woke" places on Earth by the above metrics, but I doubt you would enjoy living here. Maybe come over for a vacation? I'll get the tea and cake!

 

[Father Heathen]

I wouldn't consider it fundamentalism, just traditionalism.

Capitalism has been around since the Middle Ages and had been fully incorporated into Christianity. Very few find it problematic.

No, not capitalism in and of itself. I'm talking about it being practiced unethically; predatory rackets, the greedy pursuit of wealth, especially at the expense of others. The bible condemns this:

• 1 Timothy 6:9-10: "But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils."
• Matthew 6:24: "No one can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."
• James 5:1-3: "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire."
• Luke 12:15: "And he said to them, 'Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.'"
• Proverbs 11:28: "Whoever trusts in his riches will fall, but the righteous will flourish like a green leaf."
• Ecclesiastes 5:10: "He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income; this also is vanity."
• Matthew 19:24 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God."

 

[Revoltingest]

Thats the point I was making.

It's logical in form, it has the form of logic, whilst being illogical.

To

It's philosophy 101 how to spot flaws in a logically yet wrong wrongly made argument.

I think we've been taught different meaning of logic.

But the point is made.

I was making step by step arguments in logical sequence and I was called emotional. I'm not sure how I could have been less emotional! I think a lot of people on here just want hard fact via articles or journals and that's too high a bar most times.

Thats the point I was making.

It's logical in form, it has the form of logic, whilst being illogical.

It's philosophy 101 how to spot flaws in a logically yet wrong wrongly made argument.

I think we've been taught different meaning of logic.

But the point is made.

I was making step by step arguments in logical sequence and I was called emotional.

I saw no logical argument.
In the context of addressing Trump's claim that
Haitians are stealing & eating pets, your argument
supporting Trump didn't include premises of his
claims being false. That would've affected the
conclusion.

I'm not sure how I could have been less emotional! I think a lot of people on here just want hard fact via articles or journals and that's too high a bar most times.

I didn't call you emotional. However, since you
broached the subject, your posts have been,
eg, the personal insults, being so upset that
you plan to leave the forum.
Everyone has emotions. But we shouldn't
criticize others for being emotional. You
were wronged.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm more talking about

Socrates is Greek
Greek is a language
Therefore Socrates is a language

It is logical in the classical sense but still wrong.

It is valid, but not sound.
But as I understand it, no moral claims can be made sound using logic and truth as the second part of sound.

 

[Revoltingest]

It wasn't criticism of Trump. It was the poster's stated wish that his supporters feel pain and suffering and the poster wouldn't feel any empathy for them.

I found it genuinely psychopathic.

OK.

 

[Rival]

No, not capitalism in and of itself. I'm talking about it being practiced unethically; predatory rackets, the greedy pursuit of wealth, especially at the expense of others. The bible condemns this:

• 1 Timothy 6:9-10: "But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils."
• Matthew 6:24: "No one can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."
• James 5:1-3: "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire."
• Luke 12:15: "And he said to them, 'Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.'"
• Proverbs 11:28: "Whoever trusts in his riches will fall, but the righteous will flourish like a green leaf."
• Ecclesiastes 5:10: "He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income; this also is vanity."
• Matthew 19:24 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God."

I think you may have misunderstood. I hadn't an unethical idea in mind, just a very free market one.

 

[Rival]

It is valid, but not sound.
But as I understand it, no moral claims can be made sound using logic and truth as the second part of sound.

This is true, but I wasn't trying to make a moral claim using it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Certain beliefs are certainly true though you might disagree.

Faith rears its ugly head.

 

[Secret Chief]

Can we say "shag" then?

 

[Revoltingest]

No, not capitalism in and of itself. I'm talking about it being practiced unethically; predatory rackets, the greedy pursuit of wealth, especially at the expense of others. The bible condemns this:

• 1 Timothy 6:9-10: "But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils."
• Matthew 6:24: "No one can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."
• James 5:1-3: "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire."
• Luke 12:15: "And he said to them, 'Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.'"
• Proverbs 11:28: "Whoever trusts in his riches will fall, but the righteous will flourish like a green leaf."
• Ecclesiastes 5:10: "He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income; this also is vanity."
• Matthew 19:24 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God."

Aye, some of the most fervent attacks on capitalism
are by Christians. They even advocate socialism, ie,
government running the means of production.
Capitalism & Christianity seem odd bedfellows.
Atheism & capitalism go together like bacon & eggs.
Or haggis & whiskey. Or rust & iron.

 

[Rival]

To



I saw no logical argument.
In the context of addressing Trump's claim that
Haitians are stealing & eating pets, your argument
supporting Trump didn't include premises of his
claims being false. That would've affected the
conclusion.

I didn't call you emotional. However, since you
broached the subject, your posts have been,
eg, the personal insults, being so upset that
you plan to leave the forum.
Everyone has emotions. But we shouldn't
criticize others for being emotional. You
were wronged.

I wasn't talking about that thread

Yes, I'm angry. I've been angry at this place for a long time and I've allowed myself to be openly so.

It's a Progressive echo chamber.

If I said I believe it's everyone's duty to marry and have kids I would be horribly attacked. Not even sought to be understood, just attacked.

So when everyone has had his say on here, which I feel the need to address instead of just leaving in a huff without comment, I'm going to focus on my 3rd year of university, my reading, my boyfriend and our plan to move to Pennsylvania. This place ****s me up and worsens my already medicated mood disorder. I really don't need it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Can we say "shag" then?

Not only can we, but we absolutely must.

 

[Kenny]

It's hard to argue with "might".
And that she "knows him a lot better".

True… I was being gentle

Your weak claims suggest that she approves of
treason, vengeance, rape, & mental decline.

No… my strong claim declares that your and other people’s viewpoint are wrong when considering “today” vs. “yesteryear”.

Are you claiming this as evidence that your
support for Trump is cromulent?

Within the context of today’s political climate, world’s volatile condition, and cultural upheavals, yes. Certainly could be better, but we have two options - and this is not an option:

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Kamala’s specific efforts? Enjoy your lawn.

I'm amazed that "good Christians" look at
Trump, & think to themselves....
"There's the savior I want to lead the country."

I think your theology is all messed up and I’m not surprised. There is only on Savior that is clearly defined in the Bible… Jesus Christ. All others are flawed. Are you looking for a savior for this country?

 

[Father Heathen]

Aye, some of the most fervent attacks on capitalism
are by Christians. They even advocate socialism, ie,
government running the means of production.
Capitalism & Christianity seem odd bedfellows.
Atheism & capitalism go together like bacon & eggs.

Jesus' teachings and examples do seem like something conservatives would consider "socialist" and/or "woke".

An aside, I'm not anti capitalist. I just believe that it's too often practiced unethically (like screwing over workers, consumers, the environment, etc.) I also believe that not everything should be privatized or for profit.

 

[Rival]

Aye, some of the most fervent attacks on capitalism
are by Christians. They even advocate socialism, ie,
government running the means of production.
Capitalism & Christianity seem odd bedfellows.
Atheism & capitalism go together like bacon & eggs.
Or haggis & whiskey. Or rust & iron.

The Anglican Church has entered the chat from the world's biggest empire

 

[Father Heathen]

our plan to move to Pennsylvania.

Wha? I thought you had a less than positive opinion on the U.S.?