I'm rather set in my ways now. If some demanding god arrived & commanded
that I worship him while obeying his every law, I wouldn't be a happy camper.
that I worship him while obeying his every law, I wouldn't be a happy camper.
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dawny0826
Mother Heathen
That people wrote the holy books.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Why does the thought unsettle you?
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
My views are changing and change can be frightening.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Look at it like peeling away the layers of an onion.
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
Like Shrek?
waitasec
Veteran Member
you find a vengeful god in the NT too...didn't the idea of hell come up in the NT?
anyway thats besides the point. if science discovered god it would be very different today then it was in the OT or the NT. i say that because of the level of knowledge we have acquired since the ancient books were written. a lot of mysteries have been solved because of the invention of the telescope and the microscope. things are experienced empirically, medicine and weather forecasts, rather than being told by a religious or tribal leader.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i get that...i only wished i had joined a forum like this one while going through my transition.
waitasec
Veteran Member
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
No idea.
Those attributes are pretty major parts of the scripture. I have trouble thinking of a story in the OT that doesn't include God deciding to punish or kill.
Ruth is a good story.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Recently I came to realize that I've never actually had a problem with the concept of god itself. What it was that I really had a problem with was the things that various religions attributed to god, projected upon god, and the way that god has been perceived and portrayed by these religions, and peoples inability to separate them. People's inability to peel away the trappings that they themselves draped over god, so to speak. Religions are just self appointed representatives, intermediates, interpreters and middlemen who've only served to distort and muddle god, assuming such a thing existed. Does that make sense? Was there a god, surely the route there would be via reason and compassion. That's the only one that makes sense to me.
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waitasec
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
You wrote this with a..... 'what if'.... style.
Read again, with .....'this is true'.... approach.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
For example, let's say we have Person 1, Person 2 and you.
Person 1: Hey, have you heard about <insert your name here>?
Person 2: No, I have not.
Person 1: Yeah, they claim that if you don't light a kitten on fire, they'll light YOU on fire!
Person 2: Sounds like nonsense. I don't believe such a person exists.
Person 1: Oh, yeah? Well, I have it in writing right here where they demand it.
Person 2: Ummm, that's looks like your handwriting...
Person 1: Well, yeah, but they inspired it.
-Just then, you walk into the room.-
Person 2: Holy ****, they actually do exist after all!
Person 1: Told you so.
Person 2: Alright, you grab a kitten, I'll get the gasoline.
The End.
Now does the fact that you exist prove the claim that you'll light people on fire who don't light kittens on fire to appease you? Of course not, that's silly. But that's the relationship between religion and god in a nutshell.
Person 1: Hey, have you heard about <insert your name here>?
Person 2: No, I have not.
Person 1: Yeah, they claim that if you don't light a kitten on fire, they'll light YOU on fire!
Person 2: Sounds like nonsense. I don't believe such a person exists.
Person 1: Oh, yeah? Well, I have it in writing right here where they demand it.
Person 2: Ummm, that's looks like your handwriting...
Person 1: Well, yeah, but they inspired it.
-Just then, you walk into the room.-
Person 2: Holy ****, they actually do exist after all!
Person 1: Told you so.
Person 2: Alright, you grab a kitten, I'll get the gasoline.
The End.
Now does the fact that you exist prove the claim that you'll light people on fire who don't light kittens on fire to appease you? Of course not, that's silly. But that's the relationship between religion and god in a nutshell.
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
So you don't believe in God?....and your cause for naysaying is...what?
Scripture?...your fellowman?.....or your own logic?....
waitasec
Veteran Member
ok thief,
this is true, what next? do you think the religions of the world would be even more at odds with one another? because god is going to do what he has been doing...nothing.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
The latter is only applicable if we have sufficient logic and evidence to support it, thus we'll stick with the former.
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Father Heathen
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I don't believe in the irrational, random, nonsensical, arbitrary and unsubstantiated claims that mere mortal men have made about god. Even after I've explained it your brain still refuses to separate the two.